- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:27:17 -0400
- To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, Denis Boudreau <dboudreau@webconforme.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org>
Thanks, Gregory. You are correct. While I attempted to make the correction by hand in my email submission, I obviously caught one correction, but not the second. Janina Gregory J. Rosmaita writes: > aloha, again, shelley! > > the resolution logged at: > > http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#item06 > > QUOTE > RESOLUTION: The TF opposes the change proposals to remove the elements > listed above. We maintain the work item to check them and make them > good. > UNQUOTE > > should have been (if the sed syntax and rrsagent had been cooperating) > amended to read: > > RESOLUTION: The TF opposes the change proposals to remove the elements > listed above. We maintain the work item to check them and make them > better harmonized with ARIA semantics. > > janina, mike and mike, let me know if i am reading the minutes wrong > on this, but i think it pretty clear that the second articulation of > the RESOLUTION listed above is what we "actually" agreed-to at the > april 2010 f2f, gregory. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The present moment is ever the critical time. The future is merely for > intelligent forethought. -- Robert Barr > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus > Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net> > To: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> > Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org, Denis Boudreau <dboudreau@webconforme.com>, > Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org> > Sent: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:12:07 +0100 > Subject: Re: General Response to the Accessibility Task force on Issues > 90, 91, 93, 96, 97 > > > aloha, shelley! > > > > i quick point -- during the Face2Face, we DID stop to read each > > and every one of your proposals as a group, and anyone who had > > not previously read your proposals was explictly asked to do so > > by Janina and MikeSmith before commenting or voting... > > > > unfortunately, given the dynamic of a face2face, minutes often > > don't capture the amount of time spent on each item, oft leaving > > the impression that things were only alluded-to in passing... > > let me assure you, shelley, that -- from my perspective as a > > remote attendee at the face2face -- every effort was made by the > > chairs to give your proposals their due consideration, and there > > was a minority who wanted to "unbunch" your issues to discuss > > them individually; indeed, the issues you raised were considered > > 1 by 1 by the face2face, but -- finding what it perceived as > > common threads -- it was decided by a majority of participants > > that each issue you raised could be addressed in a comprehensive, > > rather than detailed manner; this disagreement is captured in > > the results of the survey on the proposals considered at the face2face: > > > > http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/200404_ftf-proposals/results#xq5 > > > > gregory. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, > > as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them > > with others. -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net > > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> > > To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net> > > Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org, Denis Boudreau > > <dboudreau@webconforme.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, > > "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org> > > Sent: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:00:11 -0500 Subject: Re: General > > Response to the Accessibility Task force on Issues 90, 91, 93, > > 96, 97 > > > > > I appreciate the link to meeting minutes. > > > > > > I hope a more formal synopsis of the discussion is documented, > > > so that I can respond individually to the items. As it was, > > > there seemed to be only 4 or 5 people involved, and not > > > everyone seemed to disagree with my arguments. > > > > > > There were, also, flat out errors in some of the statements > > > made. the same as there are flat out errors in the counter- > > > proposal. However, I can respond directly to the counter- > > > proposal errors, but it's difficult to do the same with the > > > abbreviated summary given in meeting minutes. > > > > > > In addition, it would seem that not every person in the > > > discussion actually read my change proposals. The discussion > > > definitely didn't touch on many of the issues I discussed > > > related to the elements. > > > > > > For instance, neither the counter-proposal, nor the accessibility > > > group seem to have addressed the issue of the whether these elements > > > are going to achieve broad usage. The HTML5 elements are > > > inferior to the state of the art. It may be an inconvenient > > > truth, but web authors/developers are not going to use inferior > options. > > > > > > Neither the resolution nor the counter-proposal mentioned the > > > costs to communities outside of the accessibility community or > > > the browser implementor community. Other than a vague reference > > > to having to write tutorials. > > > > > > There is real cost to other web communities, and not to weigh the > > > costs to other communities in the decisions is, well frankly, > > > irresponsible. > > > > > > Now, the group may balance the costs against benefits, but from the > > > discussion, the group seemed to see no cost at all. In fact, the > > > decision making seemed to be cavalier about potential negative impacts > > > to other groups. > > > > > > Again, I thank you for the link. Unfortunately, it generates more > > > questions rather than provides answers. > > > > > > Shelley > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > ------- End of Original Message ------- -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org Chair, Protocols & Formats Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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