- From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:50:22 +0100
- To: ogbujic@ccf.org
- CC: GRDDL Working Group <public-grddl-wg@w3.org>
I note a problem with the approval for http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#sq2 i.e. [[ scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline <HarryH> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid test for test-case document. <HarryH> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid test for test-case document. scribe:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#sq2 scribe:the ns document is served as application/rdf+xml (no controversy there) <HarryH> PROPOSED: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid test for test-case document. <HarryH> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid test for test-case document. ]] The scribe comments are what I remember - we approved http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline and then http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#sq2 the chair seems to have typed in the same URI twice. I would be happy either to approve the minutes as is, and vote again on #sq2, or to have the minutes modified. Jeremy Chimezie Ogbuji wrote: > .. attached .. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > W3C <http://www.w3.org/> > > > GRDDL Working Group Weekly Teleconference > > > 11 Apr 2007 > > See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-irc> > > > Attendees > > Present > john-l, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, +0127368aaaa, jjc, > briansuda, rreck, DanC > Regrets > IanD > Simone > Chair > HarryH > Scribe > Chime > > > Contents > > * Topics <#agenda> > 1. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-10T11:00-0400 <#item01> > 2. GRDDL Spec: pending editorial work <#item02> > 3. Test Cases: Towards Last Call <#item03> > 4. issue-http-header-links <#item04> > 5. base case GRDDL rule and application/xml documents <#item05> > 6. GRDDL Spec: pending editorial work <#item06> > * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-10T11:00-0400 > > <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly --4 April 2007 as a true > record > > <HarryH> So note the real minutes are here: > > <HarryH> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0039/04-grddl-wg-minutes.html > > <HarryH> RESOLVED : approved GRDDL WG Weekly --4 April 2007 as a true record > > <HarryH> Reck will be scribe next meeting. > > <HarryH> Jeremy? > > <HarryH> Jeremy can scribe next meeting. > > > GRDDL Spec: pending editorial work > > <HarryH> DanC? > > <HarryH> Without DanC, I suggest we move to Test Cases. > > > Test Cases: Towards Last Call > > scribe: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0031.html > > scribe: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#projectsSpreadsheet > > input: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/projects.xml > > outpu: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/projects.rdf > > scribe:prior approval: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/att-0096/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html#item03 > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: Approve > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#projectsSpreadsheet > as a valid test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: Approved > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#projectsSpreadsheet > as a valid test for test-case document. > > jjc: prefer test approval for material, and review WD as a whole (with > test text) > > john-l: same preference > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* john-l to add text to > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#projectsSpreadsheet > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* john-l is to add text to any tests many text where > deemed appropriate. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] > > Remaining tests with prior approval: > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#atomttl1 > > scribe: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#xmlWithGrddlAttribute > > <HarryH> PROPOSED: To reapprove in bulk all tests with prior approval. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: all tests with prior approval approved. > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#base-param > > <HarryH> PROPOSED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#base-param as a > valid test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#base-param as a > valid test for test-case document. > > scribe:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#rdfa1 > > HarryH: we should approve this noting that the stylesheet may be updated > > FabienG: 1) difference btwn implementation 2) RDFa spec is not stable > > jjc: text should reflect that the transform does not reflect a general > RDFa transform > > FabienG: works fine WRT the test case > > FabienG: should the transform predicate be included in the output? > > FabienG: at F2F - the transform is ignored > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#rdfa1 as a valid > test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* john-l to make sure rdfa1 test case text reflects > current state of rdfa [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] > > <HarryH> APPROVED: Given caveat about current state of rdfa, > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#rdfa1 as a valid > test for test-case document. > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#title_author > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#title_author is a > valid test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#title_author is a > valid test for test-case document. > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#multiprofile > > scribe:<head profile="http://purl.org/NET/erdf/profile > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#multiprofile is a > valid test for test-case document. > > scribe:>http://www.w3.org/2006/03/hcard"> > > jjc: possibility that changes to the profile effected validity of output > > <john-l> +1 > > jjc: we should copy these profiles to our test repository > > <john-l> (+1 to that, rather) > > jjc: would like to see the test modified in that regard > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* jjc to do modify > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#multiprofile to > keep all profiles in W3C space. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] > > <jjc> ^W3C^GRDDL WG^ > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid > test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid > test for test-case document. > > scribe:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#sq2 > > scribe:the ns document is served as application/rdf+xml (no controversy > there) > > <HarryH> PROPOSED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid > test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> RESOLVED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#inline is a valid > test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> Chime: What all the controversial ones have is a "multiple > output" sort of one. > > scribe: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#multiple-output > > scribe:the tests with maximal results are less ambiguous > > jjc: for the langconneg ppl probably pass the english version but not > the german version > > jjc: is there a maximal result of the merge of the english and german > GRDDL results? > > scribe:to calculate the maximal result, dont yo uneed to know the accept > headers up front? > > jjc: technically possible > > <DanC_lap> (I'd be happy to leave the german test in the someday pile.) > > scribe: not neccessary for testing phase > > <DanC_lap> (actually, the IETF rules is included in W3C process, as a > SHOULD) > > <DanC_lap> (is discussion of our request for CR/PR on the agenda?) > > <jjc> (transparent content negotiation) > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#xinclude > > jjc: Jena reader passes the noxinclude version > > scribe: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0010.html > > scribe:[[[ > > * http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/#noxinclude failed > > ok: since raptor does do xinclude processing this is ok to fail > > ]]] > > <HarryH> (I'm happy to discuss CR/PR is we have time. In particular, as > soon as I get EARL from Jena I'll make an implementation report, but I > need Jena's results and the precise number of tests to be approved) > > <jjc> EARL from Jena this week ... hopefully > > HarryH: as long as implementations pass noxinclude I'm happy > > jjc: agrees.. but we need enough evidence > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#noxinclude > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#xinclude is a > valid test for test-case document. > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#xinclude and > ihttp://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#noxinclude as a > valid test for test-case document. > > <DanC_lap> is the .html on purpose? > > <HarryH> PROPOSAL: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#xinclude and > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#noxinclude as a valid > test for test-case document. > > <DanC_lap> 2nd > > <HarryH> For previous resolutsions regards tests s/.html// > > <DanC_lap> yes, s/.html#/#/g in resolutions of this meeting > > <HarryH> APPROVED: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#xinclude and > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#noxinclude as a valid > test for test-case document. > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#grddlonrdf1 > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#grddlonrdf2 > > scribe: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#grddlonrdf3 > > scribe:if a test passes the third, can it assume it has passed the others? > > scribe:the maximal result is not isomorphic with the others > > <DanC_lap> (tests don't assume anything; they're not thinking things) > > <HarryH> \me asks DanC - can you take over chairing at noon? I still > have these meetings at noon on Wed. till early May :( > > jjc: issues with the test text > > <DanC_lap> chairing... tricky... perhaps, if we start making the > transition 10 minutes before you need to go. > > scribe:so is "However, for the purpose of running these tests in order > to determine compliance, a GRDDL-aware agent with a security policy > which does not prevent it from applying transformations identified by > each test will produce the GRDDL result associated with each normative test. > > scribe:" authoritative? > > jjc: happy to approve number 3, and modify text of 1-2 > > <jjc> no delete 1-2 > > <jjc> annd modify text of 3 > > <HarryH> Note that I can't right CR transition till our test cases are > fairly stable, so this test approval process is quite important. > > <DanC_lap> you can start on the CR request at any time, harry. I find > it's often good to work backwards from the goal > > <DanC_lap> or perhaps somebody else can start on the CR request > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* Chime and john-l to remove non-maximal tests with > ones with security relevancy. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] > > <DanC_lap> action -5 > > jjc: issues with general conneg and what the 'maximal' result is > > <HarryH> *ACTION:* HarryH to start working on CR/PR transition report > for GRDDL Spec. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] > > jjc: would like to see the merge as a seperate test for conneg > > <jjc> *ACTION:* jjc to produce/check merge results involving content > negotiation [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] > > > issue-http-header-links > > <HarryH> I'm happy to drop this. > > <HarryH> I'm happy to e-mail IanD and ask him to drop this. > > <DanC_lap> WITHDRAWN. it falls to the someday pile. bonus points to > anybody who picks this up and makes progress on it. > > > base case GRDDL rule and application/xml documents > > scribe: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0010.html > > scribe:[[[ > > I do notice http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1ns > > is not of the RDF mime type, should it really be handled > > as RDF/XML? > > ]]] > > <DanC_lap> DanC: this WG decided that the answer is yes, IIRC. > > scribe:does this require the GRDDL-aware agent to attempt to parse all > source documents as RDF/XML? > > <HarryH> I thought there was a rule about this sort of sniffing. > > <john-l> All application/xml source documents... > > <HarryH> I.e. look for rdf:RDF. > > scribe:the spec doesn't speak about media-type > > scribe:just 'conforming RDF/XML' > > <john-l> But if it's conforming RDF/XML, then it must also be XML, so > anything that's not in an XML media type could not be a conforming > RDF/XML document. > > scribe:RDF/XML spec doesn't define conformance by anything other than > the content not the media-type over the wire > > <HarryH> In which case we're okay as regards RDF/XML. > > <HarryH> So, one can serve RDF/XML as application/xml and still > interpret it as RDF. > > <HarryH> We might want to bring this up explicitly in informative text. > > <HarryH> However, we should remember that we don't want to tie the spec > to RDF/XML. > > <DanC_lap> the relevant WG decision is under feb 7 under > http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-mt-ns > > <jjc> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#section-grammar-productions > > scribe: discussion continues on what RDF/XML 'conformance' is .. > > <DanC_lap> "If an information resource IR is represented by a conforming > RDF/XML document[RDFX], then the RDF graph represented by that document > is a GRDDL result of IR" > > <HarryH> What if IR is in N3? > > <HarryH> Sorry for asking the question :( > > <HarryH> It's a real edge-case. > > <DanC_lap> then the premise of that rule isn't satisfied and you gotta > look elsewhere, Harry > > <HarryH> Hmmm... > > <DanC_lap> <foo/> > > <HarryH> Is there a notion of RDF conformance that isn't tied to RDF/XML? > > DanC_lap: is a conforming RDF/XML document > > <DanC_lap> <foo xmlns="http://example/vocab" /> > > <HarryH> I'll just have to re-read the spec and look for this...anyways, > feel free to ignore my comments as I'm not on the phone. > > <jjc> If an information resource IR is represented by a conforming > RDF/XML document[RDFX], then the RDF graph represented by that document > is a GRDDL result of IR. > > <john-l> What about what > http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#section-grammar-productions > about application/rdf+xml? > > scribe:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#sq1 > > <DanC_lap> DanC nominates jjc to review this sq1 test > > <DanC_lap> JJC: sq1 is not problematic; it bears the rdf:RDF root element > > <DanC_lap> ... or... hmm... > > <DanC_lap> (the TAG concurred with the idea that the root element > namespace URI works as an alternative to a MIME type decl) > > <HarryH> +` root element namespace URI working as an alternatie to MIME > type. > > <HarryH> +1 > > <DanC_lap> *ACTION:* JohnL to draft refinement to "If an information > resource IR is represented by a conforming RDF/XML document[RDFX], then > the RDF graph represented by that document is a GRDDL result of IR" to > be clear that "some other means", for our purposes, is a namespace on > the root elt [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] > > > GRDDL Spec: pending editorial work > > <DanC_lap> DanC collects advice on the xml pi appendix > > <DanC_lap> ADJOURN > > > Summary of Action Items > > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Chime and john-l to remove non-maximal tests with ones > with security relevancy. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* HarryH to start working on CR/PR transition report for > GRDDL Spec. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jjc to do modify > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#multiprofile to > keep all profiles in W3C space. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jjc to produce/check merge results involving content > negotiation [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* john-l is to add text to any tests many text where > deemed appropriate. [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* john-l to add text to > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#projectsSpreadsheet > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* john-l to make sure rdfa1 test case text reflects > current state of rdfa [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* JohnL to draft refinement to "If an information > resource IR is represented by a conforming RDF/XML document[RDFX], then > the RDF graph represented by that document is a GRDDL result of IR" to > be clear that "some other means", for our purposes, is a namespace on > the root elt [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] > > [End of minutes] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl > <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm> > version 1.128 (CVS log <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/>) > $Date: 2007/04/11 16:28:35 $ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Scribe.perl diagnostic output > > [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] > > This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.128 of Date: 2007/02/23 21:38:13 > Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/> > > Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) > > No ScribeNick specified. 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