Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to

Sure.
ri

> Julie Rawe <mailto:jrawe@understood.org>
> 11 February 2025 at 18:16
> Hi, Ri and Jen, can I share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the 
> WCAG 3 team that is developing guidelines for line height and other 
> aspects of text appearance?
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1:07 PM Jennifer Strickland 
> <jstrickland@mitre.org <mailto:jstrickland@mitre.org>> wrote:
> Jennifer Strickland <mailto:jstrickland@mitre.org>
> 11 February 2025 at 18:06
>
> Hi Ri,
>
> I asked about this previously in AGWG and was told that the default 
> has been to have users adjust line-height, as some other need there 
> not to be as much spacing. Like you, I also prefer 1.5, yet there are 
> magnifier users that prefer less. The 1.2 was a compromise between 
> single and 1.5, I was told.
>
> Kindly,
> Jen
>
> *From: *r12a <ishida@w3.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 12:45 PM
> *To: *Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *public-global-inclusion@w3.org <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>, 
> Jean Strohmier <jean.strohmier@gmail.com>, Katy Brickley 
> <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>, Andy <andydesignux@gmail.com>
> *Subject: *[EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but 
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close 
> together. The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading 
> of the current line.   Forgive me for
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but 
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close 
> together.  The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading 
> of the current line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it 
> up, but i'm trying to get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought 
> to raise the issue.
>
> Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I 
> am able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 
> or 1.6.
>
> By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in 
> non-Latin scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the 
> expected line heights would be for particular scripts, but i wonder 
> whether it may be a useful exercise to see how the character heights 
> tend to compare to Latin characters.  If you are interested, i suggest 
> to go to https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html 
> <https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__r12a.github.io_scripts_switch.html&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=m1OuG7cKgkunkLRGCsbDwYy7hYdYi6WKgcslaXy8kYM&e=> 
> and use the pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line 
> height, etc.".  You can then select various orthographies using one of 
> the select controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable 
> data for line height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for 
> relative glyph sizes that will help as background.
>
> Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional 
> space between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other 
> scripts such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur 
> over/below the line without changing the height of any given line.
>
> hth
> ri
>
>
>
> r12a <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
> 11 February 2025 at 17:43
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but 
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close 
> together.  The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading 
> of the current line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it 
> up, but i'm trying to get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought 
> to raise the issue.
>
> Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I 
> am able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 
> or 1.6.
>
> By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in 
> non-Latin scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the 
> expected line heights would be for particular scripts, but i wonder 
> whether it may be a useful exercise to see how the character heights 
> tend to compare to Latin characters.  If you are interested, i suggest 
> to go to https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html and use the 
> pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line height, etc.".  
> You can then select various orthographies using one of the select 
> controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable data for line 
> height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for relative glyph 
> sizes that will help as background.
>
> Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional 
> space between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other 
> scripts such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur 
> over/below the line without changing the height of any given line.
>
> hth
> ri
>
>