Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to

Hi, Ri and Jen, can I share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the WCAG
3 team that is developing guidelines for line height and other aspects of
text appearance?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1:07 PM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
wrote:

> Hi Ri,
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> I asked about this previously in AGWG and was told that the default has
> been to have users adjust line-height, as some other need there not to be
> as much spacing. Like you, I also prefer 1.5, yet there are magnifier users
> that prefer less. The 1.2 was a compromise between single and 1.5, I was
> told.
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> Kindly,
> Jen
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> *From: *r12a <ishida@w3.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 12:45 PM
> *To: *Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *public-global-inclusion@w3.org <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>,
> Jean Strohmier <jean.strohmier@gmail.com>, Katy Brickley <
> katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>, Andy <andydesignux@gmail.com>
> *Subject: *[EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
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> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.
> The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current
> line.   Forgive me for
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.
> The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current
> line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it up, but i'm trying to
> get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought to raise the issue.
>
> Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I am
> able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 or 1.6.
>
> By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in non-Latin
> scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the expected line heights
> would be for particular scripts, but i wonder whether it may be a useful
> exercise to see how the character heights tend to compare to Latin
> characters.  If you are interested, i suggest to go to
> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html
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> and use the pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line height,
> etc.".  You can then select various orthographies using one of the select
> controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable data for line
> height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for relative glyph sizes
> that will help as background.
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> Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional space
> between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other scripts
> such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur over/below the line
> without changing the height of any given line.
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> hth
> ri
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> Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>
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> 11 February 2025 at 16:32
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> ·         Review feedback from Andy
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