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Re: Resolving ISSUE-14, dcat:permanentIdentifier

From: John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:57:24 -0500
Message-ID: <CAC1Gg8SeR=PhWUK71EB9z+SpKB3v-m6q1DYJEO1cLA6m1hzRkQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Cc: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, public-gld-wg@w3.org
+1 to Phil's comments and -10 to dropping dcat:permanentIdentifier

With the advent of DataCite DOIs and other PIDs for scientific data
including EPIC and (soon to be announced) DCO-IDs --- all based on the
Handle System --- and with the emerging application of DCAT to
research data management, I strongly endorse inclusion of a field for
the PID.

John

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:
> Instinctively I dislike this intensely. It encourages bad practice by
> suggesting that identifiers for data sets should all be treated as ephemeral
> except the special case of the dcat:permanentIdentifier. Gah!
>
> If you create a catalogue as an aggregate of other catalogues (like
> publicdata.eu) then you jolly well SHOULD use the original URIs from the
> original catalogue. If you don't/can't/won't, then at least have the decency
> to include owl:sameAs links.
>
> As ever, I am aware that I take a purist view and that practicality can play
> a trump card - meaning that if there are cases where the reason for wanting
> permanentIdentifier is something a lot better than "we like the way we do it
> so we're going to use our lovely foo.aspx?sessionID=claptrap" URIs but we
> recognise that your well designed
> http://{domain}/{type}/{concept}/{reference} URI might have something going
> for it" then OK, I won't be intransigent - but I don't like it.
>
> So, -1 from me, but I remain open to persuasion if the evidence is there.
>
> Phil.
>
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> On 08/03/2013 11:26, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>>
>> There are two remaining issues on DCAT that we couldn't address in the
>> telco. A Proposals for one of them is below. If you have any objection to
>> the proposed course of action, please say so via email.
>>
>>
>> ISSUE-14: add dcat:permanentIdentifier property
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14
>>
>> With some regret, I have to say:
>>
>> PROPOSAL: Postpone ISSUE-14, as there is no consensus on such a property.
>>
>
> --
>
> Phil Archer
> W3C eGovernment
>
> http://philarcher.org
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> @philarcher1
>



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