TELECON AGENDA - 13 May 2009

Regrets so far: Leigh, Erik
Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST)
Duration: 90 minutes

Previous minutes: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0011.html
IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-forms-minutes.html

Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
Steven, Erik, Nick, MarkB, Ulrich/Sebastian, Charlie

Kenneth/MarkS?, Raman?, Susan?, Rafael/Rogelio? 

AGENDA ITEMS:
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* = be ready to discuss
+ = discuss time permitting

Reports, Etc.
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* XForms 1.1
- Implementation report progress/completion tasks (below)
- Issue classification (below)

Upcoming telecons

* Next FtF
- Agenda development exercise

The Forms Newsletter/News items

XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1

Rich Web Application Backplane


Action Items
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Action Item List:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0010.html

Administrative Issues
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* XSLTForms to list of implementations
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Apr/0002.html

Fix our shortname issue
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions

W3C Spec matrix
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0071.html
- Discussed on Nov. 26, 2008


PROGRESS ON WORKING GROUP GOALS
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* Issue Classification
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- When to use resource attribute
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0028.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2009Mar/0000.html
 

* XForms 1.1 Completion
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Issues
- - - -
Updating FF Plugin report for 8.1.6.b
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Apr/0023.html
Did this happen?

Problem with interpreting xsi:nil
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0022.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0020.html

Test suite changes
- - - - - - - - - - 
- W3C license addition

- Non-XHTML in test suite
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Apr/0011.html
 
- Modifications from action items on various group members
  Defer non-essential modifications
 
- What are the remaining obstacles to XForms 1.1 advancement?

 
Advancing XForms for HTML
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- Assertions
- Examples
- Test Suite

- Rationalization of XForms for HTML, RDFa, and ARIA
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0044.html
 
* XForms 1.2 Features
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Need to discuss from standpoint of recharter
Need to discuss statement of requirements
Need to prioritize features into versions

- Context everywhere, context on bind
- Data driven switch
- case()
- Better expression of default trigger
- submissions that put and get binary resources
- setting submission method default to "get"
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0065.html
- Ability to suppress RRRR on submission completion
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0007.html
- Lazy authoring improvement: empty instance exists even if no refs

- repeat and relevance/enabled/disabled
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Mar/0007.html


Review Possibilities
JSON submissions?
submission to a "new" window?
mediatype="text/html" on textarea for rich text content?
XML Events 2?
Dialogs?
Model improvements (optional, nested, external/src, exceptions)?
UI event notification improvements?
Create node action?
See older issues below?

Analyzing Modularization for AJAX Programmers
---------------------------------------------

Modularization of XForms based on markup seemed at one point a necessary 
step of decoupling modules against which APIs could be written. 
However, the working group now wants to approach the problem by starting 
with the needed APIs and letting the modularization requirements follow.

XForms 2.0
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Refactor dependencies to detect automatic rebuild conditions and reduce 
circular dependencies
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0069/2008-05-28.html#topic6

Review possibilities

Older issues
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Currency data values, etc.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0041.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0043.html

Validity notification on initial or hidden data
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008May/0015.html
- Isn't it about time we add an xforms-control-initialize event?
- Seems we need it for modularization to work right
- Defer to face to face meeting

The xforms-link-exception
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0001.html
Discussed Aug. 20, 2008. Need to dispatch xforms-link-error to 
instance rather than link-exception to model. For legacy, if the
link-error bubbles up to model, it could throw link-exception, but
then the author can prevent the exception by cancelling the error
Note: xforms-link-error is not currently cancellable
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0003.html

xforms-submit-done response-body and host language submission result 
targeting
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0048.html
Discussed 21 May 2008; perhaps only for replace="none"
Concern was about efficiency.  Could add "want-response-body" default 
false in
xforms-submit, then if turned true the response-body would be non-empty in 
the
xforms-submit-done.  Host language could then push response-body content 
to
a new window.

xforms-submit-serialize receives empty submission-body value
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0061.html
Discussed 03 Dec 2008; decided to allow future version feature that
helps control whether submission body is empty on start
Context info of xforms-submit could provide a writable flag


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