Re: RE : Re: Federation protocols

Dnia środa, 12 czerwca 2013 o 21:03:17 Simon Tennant napisał(a):
> On 12 June 2013 20:38, Michał 'rysiek' Woźniak <rysiek@fwioo.pl> wrote:
> > Again, show me such a de facto standard, please. And until you do, I will
> > voice my opinion we need interoperability. I don't really care if it's
> > interoperability between *instances* or *implementations* as long as it
> > is a
> > (de facto) standard and without a doubt (by a huge margin) *most* of the
> > libre
> > people using this kind of technology use this particular
> > protocol/standard.
> 
> That's not how successful standardisation works.
> 
> At one point the gopher protocol was THE way to access information on the
> internet.
> 
> Then some annoying little upstart at CERN started trying to get people to
> use his standard for hypertext. And nobody wanted to even have him speak at
> hypertext conferences. But he kept on working on it and building
> *real-world* use cases and applications and a software ecosystem.
> 
> Others started contributing code to the NCSA browser and httpd.
> 
> HTML was successful because someone went and built something that was
> incompatible with the gopher protocol.
> 
> THEN it was standardised.
> 
> Bottom up works. Top down gives us standards that only a telco could love.

This is a completely different situation. Newcommer (HTML) vs. incumbent 
(Gopher) is different than a situation with several strong contestants 
(Diaspora, DFRN2, etc).

We already have good standards built bottom-up. Time to agree on some and work 
from there.

> Join a project and start working on code or documentation that you like.
> Theres more than enough to work to go around.

Are you suggesting that any work on this list is a waste of time and instead I 
should go and code on one of the many different and incompatible federated 
social networking protocols and solutions (or just give up entirely)? Because 
I am starting to get this picture myself, so a nice and clear vocalisation of 
this would be helpful indeed.

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Pozdrawiam
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak

Fundacja Wolnego i Otwartego Oprogramowania