- From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:36:17 -0400
- To: public-fedsocweb@w3.org
Michał 'rysiek' Woźniak wrote: > Dnia środa, 12 czerwca 2013 o 21:03:17 Simon Tennant napisał(a): >> On 12 June 2013 20:38, Michał 'rysiek' Woźniak <rysiek@fwioo.pl> wrote: >>> Again, show me such a de facto standard, please. And until you do, I will >>> voice my opinion we need interoperability. I don't really care if it's >>> interoperability between *instances* or *implementations* as long as it >>> is a >>> (de facto) standard and without a doubt (by a huge margin) *most* of the >>> libre >>> people using this kind of technology use this particular >>> protocol/standard. >> That's not how successful standardisation works. >> >> At one point the gopher protocol was THE way to access information on the >> internet. >> >> Then some annoying little upstart at CERN started trying to get people to >> use his standard for hypertext. And nobody wanted to even have him speak at >> hypertext conferences. But he kept on working on it and building >> *real-world* use cases and applications and a software ecosystem. >> >> Others started contributing code to the NCSA browser and httpd. >> >> HTML was successful because someone went and built something that was >> incompatible with the gopher protocol. >> >> THEN it was standardised. >> >> Bottom up works. Top down gives us standards that only a telco could love. > This is a completely different situation. Newcommer (HTML) vs. incumbent > (Gopher) is different than a situation with several strong contestants > (Diaspora, DFRN2, etc). > > We already have good standards built bottom-up. Time to agree on some and work > from there. > Actually HTTP vs. gopher - both support(ed) multiple media types. It's also worth noting that early browsers supported both HTTP and gopher (and ftp and other things). It took a while for HTML to become dominant and for other protocols to be phased out of browsers. Similarly, an awful lot of chat clients are multi-protocol. An awful lot of mail clients and servers used to support multiple messaging protocols (SMTP, UUCP, NNTP, Fido, ...). Top-down only works if you're a dominant player and can enforce your preferred interface. Miles Fidelman
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