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Re: Ordering concepts in a Tree display // Where could we place proposed additions to SKOS?

From: Christophe Dupriez <christophe.dupriez@destin.be>
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:14:48 +0100
Message-ID: <4D33FA78.3050106@destin.be>
To: Mike Collett <mike@vocman.com>
CC: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Hi Mike!

I agree with you the Zthes is closer from a perfect solution than a 
simple sortkey added to the concept itself.

Does this mean that, in a way, the NTs of a given concept are an 
implicit collection that is (or not) ordered?
And that this depends of the concept: is it a concept generalizing its 
NTs with an implicit ranking axis?
Is it something like "Historical period", "Wheeled vehicles", 
"Orchestral formation type" (solo, duo, quatuor, sextuor, etc.), etc.

So my proposal, if one day we decide to improve SKOS, would be to enrich 
the description of concepts to indicate this.

So one field stating "Does the concept "order" its NTs?" ?
     or a subproperty of "narrower": "orderedNarrower" ?
      And also "narrowMatch" specialized with "orderedNarrowMatch"?

As we cannot mix skos:existingProperty with skos:desiredProperty:
* Who could manage a namespace for properties that the community is 
putting under scrutiny and that one or the other may want to implement?
* Where the resulting "additions" RDFS file could be deposited?

Have a nice day!


P.S. Other metadata I would like to add to a concept:
* Is it "natural" (directly linked to users knowledge) or "artificial" 
(created by the thesaurus manager for concept organization purpose)?
    (I would make "artificial" concepts disappear from displays in some 
* What is the concept status in the management workflow? (to know if it 
should be displayed or not to a given user)

For a Scheme: is it a (complete) inventory of possible values? is it a 
list, a classification or a hierarchical thesaurus?
   This would also allow to improve display and automated reuse of schemes.

Le 14/01/2011 17:09, Mike Collett a écrit :
> We use a sortkey
> eg<zthes:termNote label="sortKey">13</zthes:termNote>
> We have found that this has been mostly OK as a single key within a concept
> scheme (vocabulary) and we can manage different sortkeys for different
> concept schemes.
> By default we display alphabetically by the preferred label of the user's
> preferred language (set by browser or computer settings) if it exists, if
> not then in English if it exists, if not then by the first preferred label.
> Some polyhierarchies need to have a concept in a different order in
> different parts of the tree. Then the relationship needs to hold the
> sortkey.
> In Zthes type encoding this is easy
> eg
> <relation>
> <relationType>BT</relationType>
> <termId>xyz:1234</termId>
> <termSortkey>13</termSortkey>
> </relation>
> Not sure how to do this in SKOS.
> The effect could be
> Vehicles
>   NT (sortkey 1) Single wheeled vehicles
>   NT (sortkey 2) Bicycles
>   NT (sortkey 3) Tricycles
>   NT (sortkey 4) Four wheeled vehicles
>   NT (sortkey 5) Vehicles with more than 4 wheels..
> Popular vehicles
>   NT (sortkey 1) Cars
>   NT (sortkey 2) Motorbikes
>   NT (sortkey 3) Bicycles
>   NT (sortkey 4) Skateboards
> With Bicycles needing two different sortkeys.
> Cheers
> Mike 7:-D
> -----------
> Mike Collett
> Vocabulary Management Group
> +44 7798 728 747
> ------------
> www.vocman.com
> mike@vocman.com
>> From: Christophe Dupriez<christophe.dupriez@destin.be>
>> Organization: DESTIN inc. SSEB
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:56:08 +0100
>> To:<public-esw-thes@w3.org>
>> Subject: Ordering concepts in a Tree display
>> Resent-From:<public-esw-thes@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:57:37 +0000
>> Happy New Year to all the Simple Knowledge Organization Systems workers!
>> Does anyone have designed a way to specify concept ordering when
>> displaying a tree of concepts?
>> Usually, alphabetical ordering is the best to display narrower concepts
>> of a given concept.
>> But sometimes (for instance, with historical period), there is "natural"
>> ordering of concepts which is much better.
>> I would like to add a field with the ordering criteria (stronger than
>> the prefLabel in the user language).
>> Anyone has done something for this so I do not reinvent the wheel:
>> Vehicles
>> NT Single wheeled vehicles
>> NT Bicycles
>> NT Tricycles
>> NT Four wheeled vehicles
>> NT Vehicles with more than 4 wheels...
>> Wishing you a very nice w.e. !
>> Christophe
Received on Monday, 17 January 2011 08:15:09 UTC

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