Re: Language in eocred

Fritz, does this work for you?

{
   "@context": "http://schema.org/",
   "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
   "@id": "http://example.org.cn/Nursing",
   "name": "Undergraduate degree in nursing",
   "@reverse": {
     "educationalCredentialAwarded": {
       "@context": "http://schema.org/",
       "@type": "Course",
       "name": "Programme of study for nursing",
       "inLanguage": "zh"
     }
   }
}


On 13/03/18 16:53, Fritz Ray wrote:
> I can tell you my wife's story to help illustrate this.
>
> So, my wife has a nursing degree in China. She still thinks about 
> quite a bit of nursing in her head in Chinese, though she was allowed 
> (via a special program) to get licensed in the state of New Mexico in 
> the US, and from New Mexico to the state of Washington.
>
> She has not been allowed to get licensed in the State of Oregon, 
> because Oregon doesn't recognize transfers from Washington or New 
> Mexico, and does not recognize foreign degrees unless they go through 
> the international degree transfer system... As her school in China has 
> closed, this is no longer possible.
>
> So, she has a Chinese nursing degree, nursing competencies in Chinese, 
> though she applies them in the US. She also has an expired license in 
> New Mexico and a current license in Washington. She has gained quite a 
> number of nursing competencies in English through her experience and 
> employment history.
>
> To get a nursing license in Oregon, she would need a US recognized 
> nursing degree, presumably taught in English. This requires English 
> taught prereqs (like writing classes and math classes).
>
> To recognize her Chinese degree, all the materials about that degree 
> would need to be translated to English. This means there would be 
> English data (the translation) of a Chinese degree about Nursing 
> (thought about in Chinese).
>
> To sum up, I agree that there's a need for a field that indicates the 
> primary language of the material covered by the degree, distinct from 
> the language of the data used to describe the degree. (Langstrings 
> should cover the latter).
>
> inLanguage covers this use case nicely.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Hugh Paterson III 
> <sil.linguist@gmail.com <mailto:sil.linguist@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Phil,
>
>     I appreciate this discussion. I'm trying to get my head around an
>     economy of credentials. A German (or any company where the
>     corporate culture has a monolingual language component) would be
>     looking for someone with a certain set of credentials. Would such
>     a company's HR department limit their search to credentialing
>     organizations that only offer "German" credentials? Rather than
>     looking for a universal set of "Credentials" and then also for a
>     competency or credential of "German". Take the case of a materials
>     chemist for working in the solar manufacturing industry. Let's
>     assume that a German Company wants to fill a new opening. They
>     start their recruitment search. The team they want to recruit for
>     will be German speaking team. Where do they start their search?
>
>     - Hugh
>
>
>     On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Phil Barker
>     <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>         Hello Hugh
>
>         On 12/03/18 17:19, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
>>         I have a use case for competency/credential discovery.
>>
>>         I want to find pilots who not only speak German as a
>>         competency, or received a German Federal aviation credential,
>>         but trained for their Aviation certificates using the German
>>         language.
>>         So more broadly this is a use case where the knowledge was
>>         expressed in a language.
>
>         I think that there are two options from the existing use cases
>         that would cover this type of requirement:
>         a, we consider it as a competence just like any other, and
>         express it as such; or
>         b, we say it is a requirement that is not really a competence,
>         for which we have the eligibility requirements
>         <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Eligibility_requirements>
>         use case
>
>         The demonstrated ability to express knowledge in a given
>         language could be case (a); to have been undertaken aviation
>         training in the medium of German could be case (b).
>
>>
>>         If we take this to the case of math skills, or the completion
>>         of some Algebra course, I want to know what language the
>>         course was taught in.
>
>         As was the case when we discussed costs, I think we need to be
>         careful to distinguish between the Credential, Learning
>         Opportunities that can lead to the credential, and Assessments
>         that must be passed before the credential is awarded.
>>
>>         have we covered this yet as a use case in
>>         :https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases
>>         <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases>
>>
>>         1. The text book for a maths course in German could use the
>>         LRMI language attribute.
>>
>>               o inLanguage schema.org/Language
>>                 <http://schema.org/Language>     The primary language
>>                 of the resource.
>>
>         Agreed. We can specify the language of learning resources
>         (schema:CreativeWork) that are relevant to the credential
>
>>         2. The maths course was taught in German could be described
>>         by ______________.
>         A schema:Course is a CreativeWork, and a CourseInstance is an
>         Event, so we can use the inLanguage property for these as well.
>
>>         3. The Credential offered seems to be agnostic to language
>>         considerations as it is just a credential unless we are using
>>         a language tag to describe the language used in the
>>         credential's essence.
>         Sure, if Credential is a type of CreativeWork we have various
>         ways of talking about its language, translations, and
>         instances/embodiments <http://schema.org/workExample> of it.
>
>>         4. Any given competency may have an equivalent in another
>>         schema but be expressed in another natural language. (That
>>         is, there may be a German standard for competencies that has
>>         been aligned to an English standard for competencies, but
>>         what is missing seems to be the element that the competency
>>         was expressed in a particular natural language.)
>>
>         There is no way of expressing competences in schema.org
>         <http://schema.org> at the moment.  As Stuart said, there have
>         been suggestions about how CategoryCode / DefinedTerm could be
>         used, and how it could be extended into something a little bit
>         more SKOS-like. A DefinedTerm would be part of a
>         DefinedTermSet, which is a subtype of CreativeWork. So if they
>         were used as the basis for describing competencies and
>         competence frameworks, then the language of a Competence
>         Framework could be provided. I am inclined to think that the
>         detailed modeling of competencies is a rabbit hole that we
>         shouldn't go too far down.
>
>         Phil
>
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