Re: EOCred: Identify the level of a credential

I understand this point but leaving levels out seems like throwing the baby
out with the bathwater.

We need to be able to represent levels in many of the use cases for
credentials.   Perhaps we need to take the tiger by the tail and embrace
the complexity.  Have three "kinds" of levels as  independent constructs:
1. Levels of performance
2. Levels of accomplishment
3. Rating Levels (this is a terrible term- I was looking for a term to
isolate a proprietary set of levels like the "Level 3 Pinball Wizard"
example above.)

I know this adds more stuff which goes against the simplicity doctrine but
perhaps  it will actually make things simpler by allowing the different
"kinds" of levels to co-exist.

Alexander Jackl
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On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Nate Otto <nate@ottonomy.net> wrote:

> Unless we can find consensus on what sense of the word "level" we're
> trying to model, maybe we should just leave it out. There are many cans of
> springs that could be opened.
>
> Phil, your draft phrase "Indicates the required level of educational
> attainment, accomplishment, knowledge or experience" doesn't clearly match
> any of the senses of level we've been talking about here. You mentioned you
> had been thinking about the second sense I suggested (the credential
> recognizes achievement of a particular level) and then this draft text more
> closely represents the first (the credential requires a certain level of
> experience or skill in order to participate in or be likely to pass
> assessment).
>
> Robby's distinction between levels of accomplishment and levels of
> performance is useful. I think a credential could be awarded to recognize
> either one of these categories, but we need to be precise about which of
> them we're describing.
>
> In practical terms, the use cases from Open Badges I've heard from wanting
> a level property are closer to level of accomplishment. But rarely do I
> hear people asking for values like "Bachelor" and "Master's".. They're more
> interested in defining their own levels relative to one another. "The Level
> 2 Pinball Wizard credential recognizes achievement of level 2 of the
> Pinball Wizardry ladder, which has 3 levels". They're not as interested in
> relating their credential to common definitions of educational level in the
> real world.
>
> Nate
>