Re: EOCred: name search for credentialing organization

Oops. Sorry, I misread.

- Vicki

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 12/04/18 14:16, Vicki Tardif wrote:
>
> To be clear, in the example is "Association for Learning Technology" the
> organization teaching the course, taking the money for the course, or both?
>
> In this example there is no course.
>
> In fact <https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership> CMALT is a
> professional certification based on assessment of a portfolio, but this is
> not mentioned in the example. There is a fuller version of this example on
> the wiki under Costs of an educational occupational credential
> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Costs_of_an_educational_occupational_credential>
> which shows that the cost of assessment is included
>
> {
>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>   "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>   "url" : "https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership" <https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership>,
>   "name": "CMALT",
>   "description": "Certified Membership of the Association for Learning Technology",
>   "offers": {
>     "@type": "Offer",
>     "name": "Registration fee",
>     "price": "150",
>     "priceCurrency": "GBP",
>     "offeredBy" : {
>       "@type": "Organization",
>       "name": "Association for Learning Technology",
>       "url": "https://www.alt.ac.uk/" <https://www.alt.ac.uk/>
>     },
>     "addOn" : {
>       "@type": "Offer",
>       "description": "the cost of assessment is included"
>     }
>   }
> }
>
> (and yes, Association for Learning Technology is taking the money)
>
> There are other examples on that page for costs associated with the Course
> or assessment leading to a credential. (There were also discussions from
> the Schema Course Extend community group around costs of a course
> <https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Cost_of_course>
> and providing Vs offering
> <https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Organizations_providing_and_offering_course>
> courses)
>
> Please let me know if I can make any of this clearer.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 6:07 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I have summarized
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Identify_who_offers_an_educational_occupational_credential>
>> the outcome of this discussion on the wiki [1] Please let me know if you
>> have any further comments.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> 1. https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Identify_who
>> _offers_an_educational_occupational_credential
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/18 14:04, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>> Looking through the use cases
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Name_search_for_credentialing_organization>
>> for Educational Occupational Credentials in schema.org, I see we have
>> one for
>>
>> Name search for credentialing organization
>>
>> It should be possible to search and find credentials by the name of the
>> credentialing organization.
>> *Requires:* ability to show relationship between educational /
>> occupational credential objects and descriptions or representations of
>> credentialling organization
>>
>> Also,
>>
>> Find credentialing organization[edit
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases&action=edit&section=26>
>> ]
>>
>> Having identified a credential, it should be possible to find the
>> credentialing organization.
>>
>> I think we have already solved these back when we discussed cost of a
>> credential. We solved this in part by use of the the schema.org offers
>> property and Offer type. As I think Richard pointed out at the time, the
>> Offer type has a property 'offeredBy' so we can say:
>>
>> {
>>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>>   "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>>   "url" : "https://example.org/ecocred" <https://example.org/ecocred>,
>>   "name": "Example",
>>   "offers": {
>>     "@type": "Offer",
>>     "offeredBy" : {
>>       "@type": "Organization",
>>       "name": "Example org",
>>       "url": "https://example.org/" <https://example.org/>
>>     }
>>   }
>> }
>>
>> The Example credential is offered by Example.org.
>>
>> Does anyone think this is not sufficient to meet the use case?
>>
>> An alternative is to co-opt the issuedBy <http://schema.org/issuedBy>
>> property from Permit <http://schema.org/Permit>. But one important
>> aspect of our work here is that we are dealing *primarily* with the
>> offer of a Credential, not a claim that someone has earned one. That is,
>> BadgeClass rather than Assertions if you appreciate a parallel with Open
>> Badges. So offeredBy seems the better fit to me.
>> There is a note in the use cases that "there may be several different
>> significant types of relationship between credentials and organizations".
>> We have a separate use case for quality assurance that would cover
>> accreditation, recognition etc., of the credentialing organization and
>> which we can discuss later.
>>
>> Regards, Phil
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
>> information systems for education.
>> CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education
>> technology.
>>
>> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
>> number SC569282.
>> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
>> England number OC399090
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
> information systems for education.
> CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for
> innovation in education technology.
>
> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
> number SC569282.
> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
> England number OC399090
>