Re: EOCred: name search for credentialing organization

On 12/04/18 14:16, Vicki Tardif wrote:
> To be clear, in the example is "Association for Learning Technology" 
> the organization teaching the course, taking the money for the course, 
> or both?
>
In this example there is no course.

In fact <https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership> CMALT is a 
professional certification based on assessment of a portfolio, but this 
is not mentioned in the example. There is a fuller version of this 
example on the wiki under Costs of an educational occupational 
credential 
<https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Costs_of_an_educational_occupational_credential> 
which shows that the cost of assessment is included

{
   "@context": "http://schema.org/",
   "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
   "url" : "https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership",
   "name": "CMALT",
   "description": "Certified Membership of the Association for Learning Technology",
   "offers": {
     "@type": "Offer",
     "name": "Registration fee",
     "price": "150",
     "priceCurrency": "GBP",
     "offeredBy" : {
       "@type": "Organization",
       "name": "Association for Learning Technology",
       "url": "https://www.alt.ac.uk/"
     },
     "addOn" : {
       "@type": "Offer",
       "description": "the cost of assessment is included"
     }
   }
}

(and yes, Association for Learning Technology is taking the money)

There are other examples on that page for costs associated with the 
Course or assessment leading to a credential. (There were also 
discussions from the Schema Course Extend community group around costs 
of a course 
<https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Cost_of_course> 
and providing Vs offering 
<https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Organizations_providing_and_offering_course> 
courses)

Please let me know if I can make any of this clearer.

Phil


>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 6:07 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk 
> <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hello all. I have summarized
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Identify_who_offers_an_educational_occupational_credential>
>     the outcome of this discussion on the wiki [1] Please let me know
>     if you have any further comments.
>
>     Phil.
>
>
>     1.
>     https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Identify_who_offers_an_educational_occupational_credential
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Identify_who_offers_an_educational_occupational_credential>
>
>
>
>     On 26/03/18 14:04, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>>     Looking through the use cases
>>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Name_search_for_credentialing_organization>
>>     for Educational Occupational Credentials in schema.org
>>     <http://schema.org>, I see we have one for
>>
>>>
>>>           Name search for credentialing organization
>>>
>>>     It should be possible to search and find credentials by the name
>>>     of the credentialing organization.
>>>
>>>         *Requires:*ability to show relationship between educational
>>>         / occupational credential objects and descriptions or
>>>         representations of credentialling organization
>>>
>>     Also,
>>
>>>
>>>           Find credentialing organization[edit
>>>           <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases&action=edit&section=26>]
>>>
>>>     Having identified a credential, it should be possible to find
>>>     the credentialing organization.
>>>
>>     I think we have already solved these back when we discussed cost
>>     of a credential. We solved this in part by use of the the
>>     schema.org <http://schema.org> offers property and Offer type. As
>>     I think Richard pointed out at the time, the Offer type has a
>>     property 'offeredBy' so we can say:
>>
>>     {
>>        "@context":"http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>>        "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>>        "url" :"https://example.org/ecocred" <https://example.org/ecocred>,
>>        "name": "Example",
>>        "offers": {
>>          "@type": "Offer",
>>          "offeredBy" : {
>>            "@type": "Organization",
>>            "name": "Example org",
>>            "url":"https://example.org/" <https://example.org/>
>>          }
>>        }
>>     }
>>
>>     The Example credential is offered by Example.org.
>>
>>     Does anyone think this is not sufficient to meet the use case?
>>
>>     An alternative is to co-opt the issuedBy
>>     <http://schema.org/issuedBy> property from Permit
>>     <http://schema.org/Permit>. But one important aspect of our work
>>     here is that we are dealing /primarily/ with the offer of a
>>     Credential, not a claim that someone has earned one. That is,
>>     BadgeClass rather than Assertions if you appreciate a parallel
>>     with Open Badges. So offeredBy seems the better fit to me.
>>
>>     There is a note in the use cases that "there may be several
>>     different significant types of relationship between credentials
>>     and organizations". We have a separate use case for quality
>>     assurance that would cover accreditation, recognition etc., of
>>     the credentialing organization and which we can discuss later.
>>
>>     Regards, Phil
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>.
>>     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
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>>
>
>     -- 
>
>     Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>     PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance
>     learning; information systems for education.
>     CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education
>     technology.
>
>     PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited
>     company, number SC569282.
>     CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered
>     in England number OC399090
>
>

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Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; 
information systems for education.
CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for 
innovation in education technology.

PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
number SC569282.
CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
England number OC399090