Re: EOWG - Developing Presentations and Training

Hi Denis and Vivienne,

Thank you for putting so much thought into the timeline and action plan. I
know you both are very busy and it is with heartfelt thanks that I am
encouraged to see this progress.

I think the items in the plan are sound. I know that you will be giving it
all you got. Based on Vivienne's comment I am hopping that the initial
review of the resource (which doesn't have to be in great scrutiny), as
well as the planned revisions (for planning team) could take place faster.
Other editor teams are typically looking through the resource together by
phone and making the planned revision list (simple bullet points of what
you want to do) together in a meeting and then sending it in to planning
email. I think the time it takes to do that could be greatly shortened as
it won't take as long as you think. Then when we give you some feedback you
could be off and editing sooner. This may help meet the timeline goal of
end October.

Again, I say all of this with 100% respect to the work and priorities you
have in your own jobs, and understand if the timeline is the best case
scenario as is.

Thank you for pulling all of this together Denis. It is very helpful to see
how it is coming along and if there are things I can do to help.
Brent



Brent A. Bakken
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Pearson

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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Denis Boudreau (Deque) <
denis.boudreau@deque.com> wrote:

> Well, in my case, the problem is never about whether or not I can set my
> mind to doing it... the problem is usually related to the amount of work I
> have on any given week that needs to come before any kind of EO work. ;)
>
> But yes, if we can get through it faster, than great. If you guys can get
> some of the work (and review) done at TPAC, then great. I, for one, will
> not be there, as I had already maxed out all my travel for anything not
> related to client work by mid 2017. But I agre that if we could get most of
> this done before TPAC, that would probably help get the resource on the new
> site faster.
>
> My EO work will be focused on this resource for the next couple of weeks.
> I'm setting 2 hours aside each week for this, as of this week. Let's keep a
> line of communication open, discuss an issues we find with the document,
> page by page, and start logging any issues we think we need to bring the
> the review team.
>
>
> /Denis
>
> --
> Denis Boudreau,
> Principal accessibility consultant & trainer
> Deque Systems, Inc.
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>
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>
> On 2017-09-04 4:57:59 AM, Vivienne Conway <v.conway@webkeyit.com> wrote:
>
> This looks good to me.  I think in reality we can get through the initial
> review by the editors in less time, if we set our minds to it.  Also I see
> that the second last dot point shows revisions complete after EOWG review –
> presume this can take place at the F2F at TPAC?  We might also be able to
> set aside some extra time to work on through during TPAC if we’re all going
> to be there.  I am hoping I can be at TPAC, but perhaps that’s something we
> should discuss.
>
>
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>
>
>
> *Vivienne Conway, Ph.D., B.IT <http://B.IT> (Hons), MACS (Snr) CP,
> AALIA(CS)*
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> *From:* Denis Boudreau (Deque) [mailto:denis.boudreau@deque.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 2 September 2017 10:30 PM
> *To:* Vivienne Conway <v.conway@webkeyit.com>; Andrew Arch <
> andrew.arch@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org>; Bakken, Brent <
> brent.bakken@pearson.com>; Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: EOWG - Developing Presentations and Training
>
>
>
> Good morning/evening all,
>
>
>
> Leaving Andrew in just in case he finds a little bit of time to chime in,
> but wanted to summarize some of the discussion that happened this week
> around this resource and the work that is expected from our subgroup as it
> relates to updating it. Keeping it as bullet points, for brevity:
>
>    1. Our current work only involves this 4-page document:
>    https://www.w3.org/WAI/training/ <https://www.w3.org/WAI/training/>
>    2. Our very first task is coming up with a timeline for our chairs:
>    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nJb1_PNbT6bMEz0AuWA1HRj-
>    w2LeujXMatvmajYS4is/edit
>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nJb1_PNbT6bMEz0AuWA1HRj-w2LeujXMatvmajYS4is/edit>
>    3. Once we've determined what that timeline might look like, we need
>    to get busy with reviewing the resource. I suggest we go one page at a time
>    (maybe one per week), over the next 4 weeks or so?
>    4. In order not to flood Github with our comments and questions, we
>    have agreed only to use it when we're ready to have a discussion with the
>    larger group. We will log our issues here (things we want to discuss with
>    the larger EO group): https://github.com/w3c/wai-develop-training/
>    issues
>    5. Before we get to Github - and I should be able to help you with
>    that, Vivienne - we've agreed to keep discussing through drect emails for
>    now between the two (three) of us. Andrew, if you want us to keep you in
>    the loop about what we discuss, let us know. Otherwise, we'll keep those
>    discussions between Vivienne and myself.
>    6. Github is only where we organize the issues we want to discuss
>    about the resource. Github is not the official place to track and archive
>    important aspects of our discussion. We'll use EO discussion lists for that.
>    7. For any topic we want to formally share with our chairs and our
>    review team, we will move from informal email discussions to discussing
>    theses things on the EO discussion list Shawn created for us. That way it
>    will be archived for everyone to see. This is the email address we'll use:
>    public-eo-develop-training@w3.org <public-eo-develop-training@w3.org>.
>    I suggest we call out to the review team once we've created Github issues,
>    so they always have something to weigh in on.
>    8. For any situation where we need to formally inform our chairs about
>    something that we're either struggling with, or any situation involving
>    communication with the chairs and Shawn, we'll use this one instead (think
>    of it as Batman's batphone): public-eo-plan@w3.org.
>
> To me, in a nutshell, that is our plan. Does that sound accurate? Did I
> miss anything? Do you all agree?
>
>
>
> Tentatively trying to set some dates, so we can define that timeline. I
> realize it sets us later than we'd like, but realistically, I think this is
> what we have to consider:
>
>    - Initial Review by Editors: 17/09/04 - 17/09/29
>    - Summary of planned revisions sent to EO-Plan: 17/09/30
>    - Draft ready for Review Team: 17/10/06
>    - Review Team/Editor Iterations: 17/10/07 - 17/10/20
>    - Final Draft ready for EOWG Thorough Review: 17/10/21
>    - EOWG Thorough Review (nice to be over two weekends): 17/10/22 -
>    17/10/31
>    - Revisions complete after EOWG Review: 17/11/10
>    - Final EOWG Approval: 17/11/17
>
> Any thoughts? Does that seem like something you can commit to, Vivienne?
> Andrew maybe, even?
>
>
>
> Looking forward to hear from you.
>
>
>
>
>
> /Denis
>
> --
> *Denis Boudreau,*
> Principal accessibility consultant & trainer
> Deque Systems, Inc.
> Cell: +1-514-730-9168 <(514)%20730-9168>
> Email: denis.boudreau@deque.com
>
> Keep in touch: @dboudreau <http://www.twitter.com/dboudreau>
>
> On 2017-08-09 4:45:39 AM, Vivienne Conway <v.conway@webkeyit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Denis and Andrew (& honourable leaders)
>
>
>
> I’m thinking that due to the tight timeline, we start to look at a needs
> analysis along the lines I suggested in my previous email:
>
> Determine if the resource is still appropriate – is it obsolete, do most
> organisations already have this developed, etc.
>
> Review existing resource and determine which ones are:
>
> Obsolete – remove
>
> Outdated – need updating – e.g. Accessibility Topics – lots about moving
> to WCAG 2.0 and should probably include information on 2.1 and Silver
>
> Which subjects are duplicated elsewhere – thinking of the “promoting web
> accessibility” for senior management – some of this material may also be in
> the business case resource
>
> Determine sources for new presentations:
>
> Has someone created something that we can use?
>
> What are the gaps that haven’t been addressed?
>
> Make suggestions for new resources to be developed over time?
>
>
>
> Following my previous email, I’ve been looking at the resources on the
> page and see that there are 3 separate areas: Accessibility Topics,
> Presentation Outlines, and Workshop Outline.
>
>    - Accessibility Topics
>
> There are 18 topics here, and some of them are quite out-dates such as
> Introducing WCAG 2.0 – needs to include references to up-coming resources
> such as 2.1 and Silver, and can probably drop some such as Migrating to
> WCAG 2.0 (might make that 2.1)
>
> The work here is quite huge as each of these sections will need to be
> evaluated and might be more than the 3 of us can handle
>
> #18 – conformance evaluation should refer to WCAG-EM and the reporting
> outline resources
>
> #16 – that is another resource that is on the list for re-evaluation
>
> #10 – should refer to the tutorial and other resources
>
> #12&13&14 – can we refer to this from to the work I’m doing with Shadi
> about with combined expertise?
>
> Are we duplicating work found elsewhere in the resources list? Or is this
> to be the repository for presentations for all of WAI?
>
>    - Then when you go to the next section, Presentation Outlines, that
>    seems to duplicate information found on the previous topics.
>    - Finally, when you look at the workshop outline, I need convincing
>    that this needs to be there.  I’m open to your suggestions, but it sounds a
>    bit prescriptive to me.  I’m sure that we all have similar resources we’ve
>    developed.  For example, at Web Key IT, we have developed a 5-day
>    certificate program – and I’m positive we’re not alone.
>
>
>
> Perhaps if we come to some consensus of what needs to be provided, we can
> divide the work up between the three of us.  Unless I’m mistaken about our
> task, I don’t think the idea is that we develop the replacement
> presentations, but decide which presentations are still appropriate and
> then after the new website is developed, new presentations can be added to
> this resource, if it is kept.
>
>
>
> My other question is whether the WAI EOWG Tutorials would replace some of
> this material, or perhaps replace the need for this material completely?
> I’m not saying I think we should scrap this, but the question needs to be
> asked before we go to the work of reorganising it.
>
>
>
> Your thoughts and input would be very much appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
>
> *Vivienne Conway, Ph.D., B.IT <http://B.IT> (Hons), MACS (Snr) CP,
> AALIA(CS)*
>
> Director
>
>
>
> Web Key IT Pty Ltd
>
> PO BOX 681 Wanneroo, WA 6946
>
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> *From:* Andrew Arch [mailto:andrew.arch@gmail.com <andrew.arch@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, 4 August 2017 8:56 PM
> *To:* Denis Boudreau (Deque) <denis.boudreau@deque.com>
> *Cc:* Vivienne Conway <v.conway@webkeyit.com>
> *Subject:* Re: EOWG - Developing Presentations and Training
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> 2010 major update was primarily done by me (2013 was minor updates), but
> nothing done since.
>
>
>
> Earlier this year (before life got in the way) I had envisaged the initial
> updates would just involve adding in all new (relevant) WAI resources since
> 2010/2013.
>
>
>
> that said, your suggested approach makes sense Vivienne.
>
>
>
> Also note that we are moving/relocating this month, so lot's of travel and
> I may not be as responsive as I'd like to be.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Andrew
>
>
> ----------------
>
> Andrew Arch
>   Canberra, Australia
>
> “Man does not cease to play because he grows old.
>     Man grows old because he ceases to play.”
> George Bernard Shaw
>
>
>
> On 4 August 2017 at 12:50, Denis Boudreau (Deque) <
> denis.boudreau@deque.com> wrote:
>
> Hello there!
>
>
>
> Vivienne, that owuld be accurrate. I launched the initial effort, but
> since then, I went away for a one-week team retreat with De
>
> I'm currently on vacation, and will only be back to work on 08/14. I will
> be unable to follow up on anything before then, but let's plan on getting
> together during that week to begin our work. Would that work with you guys?
> Or with Andrew having been involved in earlier efforts related to these
> resources, have you already started something on your end since the lat
> EOWG meeting I attended (07/21)?
>
>
>
>
>
> /Denis
>
> --
> *Denis Boudreau,*
> Principal accessibility consultant & trainer
> Deque Systems, Inc.
> Cell: +1-514-730-9168 <(514)%20730-9168>
> Email: denis.boudreau@deque.com
>
> Keep in touch: @dboudreau <http://www.twitter.com/dboudreau>
>
> On 2017-08-02 3:42:27 AM, Vivienne Conway <v.conway@webkeyit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Denis and Andrew
>
> I missed last week’s meeting but thought I’d better spend today catching
> up with this work.
>
>
>
> Denis, I see that you had Shawn create a mailing list, but I can’t see
> that I’ve received anything from this list yet, other than the email
> between you and Shawn to get it set up.
>
>
>
> I can see that we need to present a plan of how we are going to review
> this resource, and submit this to the next meeting.  Our task is to update
> this resource with new materials and update content, and this is to be done
> before the new website launch. https://www.w3.org/WAI/training/Overview
>
>
>
> As this resource was updated February 2013 and Andrew, I can see that you
> were involved, I guess that’s where we start?
>
>
>
> I’m a complete newbie to GitHub, and while I can add text in HTML, I’m not
> sure what the actual process for working in GitHub entails.
>
>
>
> We need some steps, so, in following others’ examples:
>
>    - Determine if the resource is still appropriate – is it obsolete, do
>    most organisations already have this developed, etc.
>    - Review existing resource and determine which ones are:
>
>
>    - Obsolete – remove
>       - Outdated – need updating – eg Accessibility Topics – lots about
>       moving to WCAG 2.0 and should probably include information on 2.1 and Silver
>       - Which subjects are duplicated elsewhere – thinking of the
>       “promoting web accessibility” for senior management – some of this material
>       may also be in the business case resource
>
>
>    - Determine sources for new presentations:
>
>
>    - Has someone created something that we can use?
>       - What are the gaps that haven’t been addressed?
>       - Make suggestions for new resources to be developed over time?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please be advised that I check my emails at approximately 9am and 4pm each
> day (more or less).  If you require assistance sooner, please feel free to
> telephone.
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
>
> *Vivienne Conway, Ph.D., B.IT <http://B.IT> (Hons), MACS (Snr) CP,
> AALIA(CS)*
>
> Director
>
>
>
> Web Key IT Pty Ltd
>
> PO BOX 681 Wanneroo, WA 6946
>
> *Phone:    *(08) 9206 3987
>
> *Mobile:*   0415 383 673
>
> *Email:*       v.conway@webkeyit.com
>
> *Website:*  www.webkeyit.com
>
>
>
>
>
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