- From: Bakken, Brent <brent.bakken@pearson.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:53:53 -0500
- To: "Sinclair, Norah M" <norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu>
- Cc: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, "public-eo-archive@w3.org" <public-eo-archive@w3.org>, Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org>
- Message-ID: <CAE6qf-G=ScNUVOnegLZANBEjyhzf5o6aHxi7=p=7jW+3SmYhvA@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Norah, Thank you so much for working up this issue. This looks really good and we will get it kicked off at the meeting tomorrow morning. After the meeting you may want to send another email to the small review team asking them to weigh in on the issue by Tuesday (deadlines always help). That way you will have some data from the small team by then and maybe more from the meeting and the bigger EO team as well. I will add the issue link to the agenda. Thanks, Brent Brent A. Bakken Director, Accessibility Strategy & Education Services Pearson 512 202 1087 brent.bakken@pearson.com Learn more at pearson.com [image: Pearson] On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Sinclair, Norah M < norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu> wrote: > I added a github issue to discuss renaming Diversity of Web Users and > Diversity of Web Use resources: github issue 49 > <https://github.com/w3c/wai-people-use-web/issues/49> > I included both titles in one issue since it seemed best to me to consider > them both together. Hope the issue and request seem reasonably clear :) > > Regards, > Norah > > > *Norah Sinclair * > Instructional Technology and User Support Specialist > > AMAC Accessibility Solutions and Research Center > Georgia Institute of Technology | College of Design > 512 Means Street | Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30318 > > phone 404.894.7432 <(404)%20894-7432> > www.amacusg.org > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:40 PM > *To:* Sinclair, Norah M; Shadi Abou-Zahra > *Cc:* Bakken, Brent; public-eo-archive@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: How People with Disabilities use the Web planned revisions > and content questions > > Hi Norah, > > All of the information should be public. You can find it by searching. > (That's what I did for the others. :-) > > I did some searching tonight to get you started. :-) > * Requirements from 2009 revisions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/ > changelogs/cl-PWD-Use-Web > * Looks like title discussions happened in 2010, so you can find relevant > minutes with this is in search engines: > site:w3.org/2010 EOWG minutes title how people with disabilities > use the web > For example, I found some of the title discussions here: > ** https://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-eo-minutes#topic4 > ** right *above* https://www.w3.org/2010/10/29-eo-minutes#item03 (that > is, scroll up from there :) > > (Links to all old EOWG minutes are here <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/ > Minutes#y2010>.) > > Shadi might have other information or pointers related to the titles of > the pages. > > Best, > ~Shawn > > > > On 8/30/2017 5:00 PM, Sinclair, Norah M wrote: > > Thanks Brent, this is great. I looked at the example you sent. Are there > previous requirements documents to link to and the email thread you mention > with previous discussions on name changes? If Shawn has access to that > information and wants to create the github issues so the group can begin > brainstorming this, that works. I am happy to assist in whatever way to > move the discussion along. > > > > > > *Norah Sinclair * > > Instructional Technology and User Support Specialist > > ** > > AMAC Accessibility Solutions and Research Center > > Georgia Institute of Technology | College of Design > > 512 Means Street | Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30318 > > > > phone 404.894.7432 <(404)%20894-7432> > > www.amacusg.org <http://www.amacusg.org/> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Bakken, Brent <brent.bakken@pearson.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:14 PM > > *To:* Sinclair, Norah M; public-eo-archive@w3.org > > *Subject:* Re: How People with Disabilities use the Web planned > revisions and content questions > > [including public-eo-archive@w3.org <mailto:public-eo-archive@w3.org > <public-eo-archive@w3.org>>] > > > > Hi Norah, > > Thank you so much for your thoughts on this. This is a great start. One > key thing that may or may not have been evident from the navigation > spreadsheet was that the names that were listed as alternative new names > are more of a suggestion to get brainstorming started rather than a > "proposal" of what to switch to. > > > > So, When you add these two GitHub issues in, I would state the following > concepts in the issue (in your own words of course)... > > > > * we need to think about changing the current name of the particular > page in the resource > > * have people visit the page and read the content prior to making > comments in the issue > > * you provide the suggested optional name as a means to start the > brainstorming > > * provide a rationale to support the suggested name > > > > Doing this will help others follow suite and provide support for other > name suggestions along with rationale for you to consider. > > > > I know that some of these names of these resources had some discussion > in previous EOWG meetings years ago (before my time) it would be nice to > find those minutes and post them as well. I am hoping someone can add that > to the issue thread once we get it started. > > > > Here is an example of a recent similar issue that Shawn started for the > "Essential Components of Web Accessibility" resource. You can pattern yours > after this one if you like (title/name issue #1 < > https://github.com/w3c/wai-components/issues/1>) adding more context to > yours as you see fit. > > > > If you think you can get these two issues posted prior to the meeting on > Friday, I will also add them to the agenda and Shawn and I will get people > started thinking about them along with the others that we are doing the > same thing for. Just let me know when you add them and I will update the > agenda if possible. > > > > I hope this helps. Thank you so much fo keeping at it. You are Awesome. > > Brent > > > > *__* > > > > Brent A. Bakken > > Director, Accessibility Strategy & Education Services > > Pearson > > > > 512 202 1087 <(512)%20202-1087> > > brent.bakken@pearson.com <mailto:brent.bakken@pearson.com > <brent.bakken@pearson.com>> > > > > Learn more at pearson.com <http://pearson.com> > > Pearson > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Sinclair, Norah M < > norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu <mailto:norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu > <norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu>>> wrote: > > > > Hi Brent, > > > > > > Thanks for this information. I apologize that I have not sent this > out to reviewers yet. I was out for a couple of days and am catching up. I > am working on adding the github issues now. > > > > > > Do the following work as github issues to send to the reviewers for > feedback as you suggested? > > > > > > Rename Diversity of Web Users > > Two of the resources that are part of the larger "How People with > Disabilities Use the Web" resource need to be renamed. On the proposed > navigation document, "Diversity of Web Users" is listed as "Diverse > Abilities and Disabilities". What are the reviewers thoughts on this > proposed title? Are there other suggestions? > > > > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity < > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity> > > > > > > Rename Diversity in Web Use > > The second resource that is part of "How People with Disabilities > Use the Web" is currently titled "Diversity in Web Use" and also needs to > be renamed. On the proposed navigation document, "Diversity in Web Use" is > listed as "Tools and Techniques People Use". What are the reviewers > thoughts on this proposed title? Are there other suggestions? > > > > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/browsing < > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/browsing> > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Norah > > > > > > *Norah Sinclair * > > Instructional Technology and User Support Specialist > > ** > > AMAC Accessibility Solutions and Research Center > > Georgia Institute of Technology | College of Design > > 512 Means Street | Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30318 > > > > phone 404.894.7432 <(404)%20894-7432> <tel:(404)%20894-7432> > > www.amacusg.org <http://www.amacusg.org/> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Bakken, Brent <brent.bakken@pearson.com < > mailto:brent.bakken@pearson.com <brent.bakken@pearson.com>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:30 AM > > *To:* Sinclair, Norah M > > *Cc:* Shadi Abou-Zahra; Sylvie Duchateau; Sharron Rush; shawn@w3.org > <mailto:shawn@w3.org <shawn@w3.org>> > > *Subject:* Re: How People with Disabilities use the Web planned > revisions and content questions > > Hi Norah, > > > > Thank you so much for pulling this recommendation together. > Actually, the two pages of the resource that you pointed out needing name > changes are on my list to communicate with you about needing the changes. > You beat me to it! > > > > I am glad that you have already put some good thought into the new > names. We are trying to work through about 5 resources that need to have > this complete before we start our usability testing of the site redesign > navigation in mid-September. Because of that, it would be good if you could > prioritize the task of nailing down the new names for those two pages > sometime prior to September 8th so we can feed that information to the > person setting up the site for the usability testing. > > > > The best way to get started would be to add your recommendation > (with a short rationale) for each page as a new issue in the resources > GitHub repository. This will make it easy for you to get feedback. You can > just add each as a new issue here on the issues page < > https://github.com/w3c/wai-people-use-web/issues>. Once you have the new > issues entered for those two pages, you can send out the issue links to the > full review team (listed below) and ask for quick feedback so that you can > work up a final recommendation for EO. I would give the review team a > deadline for feedback so that you receive it sooner rather than later. > > > > If you do not feel comfortable enough with GitHub to add the issues, > Shawn mentioned that she would be happy to add them for you. I know you > have responded to issues previously, so I am assuming that you are okay > with creating two new ones and sending out the links asking for feedback. > > > > Let me know if you need any assistance or have any other ideas on > this topic that I can help you with. > > > > Review Team: > > > > * Shadi - shadi@w3.org <mailto:shadi@w3.org <shadi@w3.org>> > > * Sylvie - sylvie.duchateau@snv.jussieu.fr < > mailto:sylvie.duchateau@snv.jussieu.fr <sylvie.duchateau@snv.jussieu.fr>> > > * James - jgreen@visa.com <mailto:jgreen@visa.com > <jgreen@visa.com>> > > * Sharron - srush@knowbility.org <mailto:srush@knowbility.org > <srush@knowbility.org>> > > * Jesús - jesus.pulido@amac.gatech.edu <http://amac.gatech.edu> > > * Shawn - shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org <shawn@w3.org>> > > > > > > Thanks again for working so diligently on this resource. > > Brent > > > > *__* > > > > Brent A. Bakken > > Director, Accessibility Strategy & Education Services > > Pearson > > > > 512 202 1087 <(512)%20202-1087> <tel:(512)%20202-1087> > > brent.bakken@pearson.com <mailto:brent.bakken@pearson.com > <brent.bakken@pearson.com>> > > > > Learn more at pearson.com <http://pearson.com> > > Pearson > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Sinclair, Norah M < > norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu <mailto:norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu > <norah.sinclair@amac.gatech.edu>>> wrote: > > > > I apologize that I was not able to complete the survey before it > closed yesterday. I agree that the names of the resources, Diversity of Web > Users, Diversity in Web Use should be changed. The proposed revised titles, > [Diverse Abilities and Disabilities] and [Tools and Techniques People Use] > look like better options. I had not seen that information previously. > > > > > > *Norah Sinclair * > > Instructional Technology and User Support Specialist > > ** > > AMAC Accessibility Solutions and Research Center > > Georgia Institute of Technology | College of Design > > 512 Means Street | Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30318 > > > > phone 404.894.7432 <(404)%20894-7432> <tel:(404)%20894-7432> > > www.amacusg.org <http://www.amacusg.org/> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org <mailto:shadi@w3.org > <shadi@w3.org>>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:06 PM > > *To:* Sinclair, Norah M; Sylvie Duchateau; Bakken, Brent; > Sharron Rush; shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org <shawn@w3.org>> > > *Subject:* Re: How People with Disabilities use the Web planned > revisions and content questions > > Hi Norah, > > > > I agree that the other sections are more concise and have an > active > > tone. I recall Sharron still had some concerns, especially with > the > > principles page. I think it may be the current one-page > presentation > > that is creating this perceived wall of text, so maybe your idea > of > > adding graphics could help. I also don't know how the new WAI > design > > addresses these types of pages in terms of information > architecture. > > > > As to contacting CoGa, they already have been contacted maybe > over a > > year ago meanwhile. While terminology and technology has moved > most > > significantly in this area, I think also the other sections have > aged > > and should probably be looked over by relevant experts. Not sure > how > > this should be best approached, though. Maybe the chairs have > ideas. > > > > Best, > > Shadi > > > > > > On 22/08/2017 20:58, Sinclair, Norah M wrote: > > > Hello Shadi, Sylvie, Brent, Sharron, and Shawn, > > > > > > The resource, “How People with Disabilities Use the Web,” > consists of several in-depth pages, including Stories of Web Users, > Diversity of Web Users, Diversity in Web Use and Accessibility Principles. > The co-editors are seeking to: > > > • Simplify & Tersify — Make content simple and brief. Cut > words. Cut Sentences. > > > • Bullets & Graphics — Break up passages into bullets when > appropriate. Suggest graphics. > > > • Front-loaded Action — Use active voice, and action > statements. > > > > > > We have determined this process is needed for Stories of Web > Users and we’ve agreed upon a draft format for the first story, which > basically reduces the word count in half while conveying the important > content from the original story. The other stories are currently being > revised using the same type of approach. > > > > > > To me, the other resources, Diversity of Web Users, Diversity > in Web Use and Accessibility Principles may not be in need of the same type > of revision (goal of reducing content by 50% or so). The content of these > resources (Diversity of Web Users, Diversity in Web Use and Accessibility > Principles) is broken up into bullets, and is written using active, action > statements. The main revision could be adding graphics or linking to the > web perspective videos. What are the thoughts of the co-editors and EO > chair review team on this? Would this be a good question to ask the > reviewers for their feedback? > > > > > > Also, should the Cognitive and Learning Disabilities > Accessibility Task Force (Cognitive A11Y TF) be consulted for suggested > revisions to section: Examples of cognitive, learning, and neurological > disabilities? > > > > > > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity < > https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity> > > > > > > Thanks very much, > > > Norah > > > > > > Norah Sinclair > > > Instructional Technology and User Support Specialist > > > > > > AMAC Accessibility Solutions and Research Center > > > Georgia Institute of Technology | College of Design > > > 512 Means Street | Suite 250 | Atlanta, GA 30318 > > > > > > phone 404.894.7432 <(404)%20894-7432> <tel:(404)%20894-7432> > > > www.amacusg.org <http://www.amacusg.org><http: > //www.amacusg.org/ <http://www.amacusg.org/>> > > > > > > > -- > > Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ < > http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/> > > Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist > > Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > > > > > > >
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