- From: Serafín Olcoz <olcoz@ej-gv.es>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:40:32 +0100
- To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Dear Phil, I submitted a proposal about a Decree of Basque Government related to Open Data and Open Government and I did not receive any feedback from anybody. Could you please tell me how to proceed in order that Basque Government proposal, as W3C member, should be taken into account and discussed in this WG? Maybe including it in the Agenda of a next meeing or so... Best regards, Serafin Olcoz El 16/11/12 18:41, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> escribió: > Minutes of today's eGov IG meeting are at > > http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-egov-minutes.html > > And copied below as text for those that prefer it that way (like me :-)) > > eGov IG 16 November 2012 > > 16 Nov 2012 > > See also: [2]IRC log > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-egov-irc > > Attendees > > Present > +1.508.333.aaaa, +1.303.869.aabb, bhyland, PhilA2, > GannonDick, +1.703.281.aacc, GwynSutherlin, thschee, > bgryth, brand, +3539149aaee, DeirdreLee, Jeanne_Holm, > +1.202.651.aaff > > Chair > Jeanne Holm > > Scribe > PhilA2, Jeanne, Bernadette > > Contents > > * [3]Topics > 1. [4]Summary of ISWC2012, ISWC, ISWC12 > 2. [5]Plans for topic or Open data > 3. [6]Bernadette Hyland on TPAC 2012 > 4. [7]Brian Gryth on Open Data > 5. [8]Daniel Bennett Plans for Summarizing eGov > Discussions > 6. [9]WWW2013 Brazil > __________________________________________________________ > > <bhyland> good morning all > > <GwynSutherlin> I think I'm an IP caller too > > <Jeanne_Holm> Um, me too. > > <Jeanne_Holm> Good day all. > > <bgryth> Good day all > > <bhyland> Agenda > > <bhyland> • 0800-0810: Open Data Kickoff (Jeanne Holm) > > <bhyland> • 0810-0830: 2012 TPAC Overview (Bernadette Hyland) > > <bhyland> ◦ TPAC 2012: > [10]http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-th > e-open-web-platform/ > > [10] > http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform> / > > <bhyland> ◦ TPAC 2012: > [11]http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open > -web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/ > > [11] > http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouv > elle-cuisine/ > > <bhyland> • 0830-0855: OpenColorado (Brian Gryth) > > <bhyland> • 0855-0920: Plans for Summarizing eGov Discussions > (Daniel Bennett) > > <bhyland> • 0920-0930: Call for session on open data at > [12]http://www2013.org/ (Jeanne Holm) > > [12] http://www2013.org/ > > ISWC info at [13]http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/ > > [13] http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/ > > <GannonDick> I have no idea what I'm doing > > Summary of ISWC2012, ISWC, ISWC12 > > <Jeanne_Holm> The keynote I gave is online already at > [14]http://www.slideshare.net/jeanneholm1/iswc-2012-keynote > > [14] http://www.slideshare.net/jeanneholm1/iswc-2012-keynote > > <Jeanne_Holm> Gannon...follow what I do... > > <GannonDick> got it > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: ISWC2012 was very good, every other > poster session referenced linked data, which was a change > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Previously was OWL, inferencing, and was > more about big data and scaling > > <GannonDick> bhyland: half from Europe > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Largely European, next Asia, next > US--but clearly global impact. Perhaps 700+ at the conference > > <Jeanne_Holm> :-) > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Big projects, large scale, commercial > projects as well > > <bgryth> yeah iTirage > > <Jeanne_Holm> iTriage was started by two doctors from Colorado > > Jeanne_Holm: Thanks everyone who has been participating in the > last 3 months or so > ... Trying to get people from different and diverse countries > ... we've concluded proceedings on social media for now. Daniel > is going to talk about how we're going to craft an actual W3C > Note from that > > Plans for topic or Open data > > Jeanne_Holm: Talks coming up on aggregating and using open data > ... starting with broad scale over views and we'll then get > into more specifics > ... we can extend the series as long as the group wants us to > > Bernadette Hyland on TPAC 2012 > > <Jeanne_Holm> I got it Phil... > > <bhyland> TPAC 2012: > [15]http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-th > e-open-web-platform/ > > [15] > http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform> / > > <bhyland> ◦ TPAC 2012: > [16]http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open > -web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/ > > [16] > http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouv > elle-cuisine/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: At TPAC 2012 this year eGov and Gov > Linked Data groups did not have a formal event, although they > did last year > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: The technical plenary and advisory > committee (TPAC) is where the 380 member organizations have a > chance to impact the priorities of the W3C > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: W3C staff can also share what is going > on with the overall organization. Each member company (like IBM > or Oracle) gets one representative. > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: W3C put on an amazing event and the > blogs posted above contain my notes > > Pretty much any and all praise for the organisation of TPAC is > due to the rather wonderful Alex > [17]http://www.w3.org/People/all#alex > > [17] http://www.w3.org/People/all#alex > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Jeff''s key point was that the W3C is in > early phase of adoption and was grounded that there is a lot to > be done > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Big project with focus is HTML5 but > won't be published formally as a standard until 2014 > > Web Platform [18]http://www.webplatform.org/ > > [18] http://www.webplatform.org/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Web developers of all kinds should have > a place on the web where they can get access to documentation > (Doug Shepherd?) which is the clearing house > > <Jeanne_Holm> correction: Web Platform as noted > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: There is a Department of Education grant > to the W3C for the person to help lead the accessibility > group--very cool and impressive with the number of people who > are producing the platform at all levels of abilities > > Worth noting that our Web Content Accessibility Guidelines are > cited in the legislation of several countries (as well as more > in gov guidelines) > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Extraordinary experience, who's who of > thought leaders, not academic like ISWC. You should definitely > participate and plan to attend when able. Well honed W3C > infrastructure. > > Community Groups and Business Groups have replaced Incubator > Groups as the quick start, lightweight process for > bringing/airing work at W3C > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Community groups are new to W3C--if > someone has an idea for something (like Henry Story on WebID) > and gets 5 people to agree, then they can propose a community. > > <Daniel_Bennett> Jenni Tennison did a great key note about > linking RDF, JSON as well as HTML and XML > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: JSON developers proposed a spec for > working with linked data as an example (had been initiated by a > community group) > > -> JSON-LD Community Group > [19]http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/ > > [19] http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/ > > ->emerging JSON-LD syntax spec > [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld-syntax/ > > [20] http://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld-syntax/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Great way for companies to be able to > contribute to the open web platform > > <Daniel_Bennett> video by Jenni Tennison about linking RDF, > JSON, HTML, and XML > [21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K_CAiVyqTQ > > [21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K_CAiVyqTQ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Big emphasis was on HTML5, mobile > support and devices, and the Open Web Platform > > <GannonDick> jalapenos for pizza available ? > > Ooh, thanks Daniel_Bennett I've not seen that > > <bhyland> #1 theme from Gov't breakout was: > > <bhyland> Everyone wants ROI stories for publication & > consumption of Linked Data. > > <bhyland> #2 - Common problem is overwhelming government > officials with tech speak. Consider having a template from > which internal champions can pull language: > > <bhyland> • Financial benefits > > <bhyland> • Social responsibility benefits > > <bhyland> • Legal & regulatory benefits > > <bhyland> • Technical benefits > > <bhyland> #3 theme - Need to document on W3C site compelling > applications using Linked Data are critical, beef up SWEO > concept & bring it up to date for LD deployments in the wild. > This will help Gartner too. > > <Jeanne_Holm> > [22]http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/d/d6/Gryth_OpenData_eGov > .ppt > > [22] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/d/d6/Gryth_OpenData_eGov.ppt > > Jeanne_Holm: Thanks Bernadette. We're seeing real traction on > data across the board - good stuff! > > Brian Gryth on Open Data > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: The vision of Open Colorado is that we > are looking to support transformation that is happening in > goverment that will be more beautiful, simply and easy to use > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We are created to help make that happen > > slide 3 > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Education, tools, and partnerships are > the focus > > Slide 4 > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Education = W3C, Code for America, OKF > involvement, plus CGATE, which is open government at local > levels > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: DenverCog--regional group that works with > governments to free up the data > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: OpenColorado helps to host data as well > > <Jeanne_Holm> Colorado Municipal League--city managers and > attorneys, presentations on what open government is and > touching on open data and policies that are needed > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Social media trainings, and > CityCamps--last one in October and a combo > conference/unconference > > <Jeanne_Holm> [23]http://opencolorado.org/citycamp-colorado/ > > [23] http://opencolorado.org/citycamp-colorado/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: The tool component is at > [24]http://data.opencolorado.org > > [24] http://data.opencolorado.org/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We look at how to make data findable and > get it out. We have Denver, Arvada, Boulder, Castlerock, and > counties of Denver and Boulder. A CKAN instance from OKF. > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Went with CKAN based on Data.gov.uk model > of using open source platform and tools (US Data.gov was custom > built at that time) > > <Jeanne_Holm> (Personal note: Data.gov released open source > code on Github now too ;-) > [25]https://github.com/opengovplatform > > [25] https://github.com/opengovplatform > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: First city camp had a lot of CEOs and > CIOs saying that data was open, but didn't know how to go to > the next step with policies > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We sat down and wrote a policy based on > President Obama's open government directive and created a model > policy that looked at the ways to create a policy > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Cook County adopted as well as others > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Technology + policy component > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We are a small group and this is not our > main jobs, so we need help to build capacity and we partner > with governments > > we're now on slide 6 > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: A lot of gov attorneys do not know about > IP, but there is a shift now and we are helping them understand > about open record requests, digital material, and trademarks > and open data and open gov > > <bhyland> @bgryth, do you want to take questions interleaved or > at end? > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: At same time as this CityCamp, there was > Denver StartUp week and we ran events on civic innovation > [26]http://denverstartupweek.com/ > > [26] http://denverstartupweek.com/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Had an apps challenge and got two > winners: Open Bike (bike lockers, thefts, paths) lets people > create and rate bike routes (overview at > [27]http://opencolorado.org/citycamp-colorado-2012-presenters/) > > [27] http://opencolorado.org/citycamp-colorado-2012-presenters/) > > <GwynSutherlin> Indy needs an app like that. they are bike/car > planning challenged > > Apps around bicyle usage is interesting. How do you comment on > a point of interest along the route? i.e. how do you represent > a POI I wonder > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Second winner: Displaying and visualizing > the data around crime > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Next focus is on rural communities that > may not have digital literacy or technologies, they give a lot > back to the big cities, so how to help each other > > <GwynSutherlin> internet access in rural US is worse than in > middle of amazon > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We are creating an Adopt a City program > (slide 7) that over 4 years helps rural cities get up and > running through training and mentorship > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Code for Communities: > odeforcommunities.org > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Code for communities: > [28]http://codeforcommunities.org > > [28] http://codeforcommunities.org/ > > <bgryth> denver-wiki.org > > <Jeanne_Holm> [29]http://denver-wiki.org > > [29] http://denver-wiki.org/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Storify on CityCamp: > [30]http://storify.com/michelehovet/citycampco-2012. > > [30] http://storify.com/michelehovet/citycampco-2012. > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Host to Host a City Camp: > [31]http://www.govtech.com/govgirl/How-to-Host-a-CityCamp.html > > [31] http://www.govtech.com/govgirl/How-to-Host-a-CityCamp.html > > <bhyland> whew! Does bgryth breath?? > > <GannonDick> don't think so > > bhyland: Are you one of the oldest city open gov data efforts? > > <Jeanne_Holm> (Gannon--are you up for scribing the next talk?) > > bgryth: We're first to adopt CKAN in the USA > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We started using CKAN in 2010 > > bgryth: we're one of the older ones > > <GannonDick> trying jeanne can't type fst enough > > <Jeanne_Holm> bhyland: Questions: would it make sense to get a > funded model? Have you surveyed or gotten seed funding? > > bhyland: Huge achievements so far, but hwo about getting > funding so it moves out of the willing volunteer sphere > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: We have some funding to support website > > bgryth: We have some funding for the hosting (on Amazon) > > <Jeanne_Holm> Thanks! > > bgryth: We're going to have to look at different models. WE > have a lot of partners. Denver almost doubled our catalogue. > DRCOG is the largest and we're getting that by scraping their > site > ... need to look at improving that > ... right now it's free for the gov. We'd like to change that > ... need a more sustainable model > ... got ideas on working with other portals. Want to integrate > across not just catalogues bu catalogue platforms > ... the 6 of us that do this are running at capacity. We need > help > > bhyland: The other comment I'd make... I work on getting > federal data published. Screen scraped data is likely to back > fire as it is brittle > ... no thought about licences, URI persistence etc. > ... feels like a bunch of enthusiastic university folk. Needs > broader/state/federal level support > ... I want to help make it more sustainable > > bgryth: I agree... we want to make sure that we do what you're > saying > ... needs to become sustainable > ... I don't want it to become like a box ticking exercise with > no commitment > ... they need to put resources behind it > > <bhyland> It is *really* important that our open government > data efforts are implemented in a sustainable manner, with > OSI-approved Open Licenses are associated with data sets, and > other key metadata about publication frequency, disclaimers, > etc > > <bhyland> … and well considered Web architecture > > <bhyland> … and done in a scalable manner that avoid data > duplication > > bgryth: For the hackathon, we didn't give prize money, we got a > management firm to give them their kind of help to help them be > more sustainable > > [32]http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards > > [32] http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards > > <Jeanne_Holm> PhilA2: Interesting to see the different > perspective where there is investment in the UK and here in > Colorado it's a volunteer effort for OpenColorado > > <Jeanne_Holm> PhilA2: Are there standards you wish existed if > people would use them? > > <bhyland> RE: W3C Government Linked Data Standards … > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: There are a lot of organizations looking > at the problems around this > > <Jeanne_Holm> bgryth: Trying to form a CKAN association and > then work with the W3C > > <bhyland> @ggryth - I'd invite you to consider discussing / > contributing some of the lessons learned about managing > datasets to help it become codified in a W3C published Best > Practices doc ... > > <Jeanne_Holm> (Daniel--are you set?) > > <bhyland> bgryth: License > > <bhyland> Select the license under which the data is > released.OpenColorado recommends either of the following > licenses:[33]http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/h > ttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ > > [33] > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/http://creativecommons.org/li > censes/by/3.0/ > > Daniel Bennett Plans for Summarizing eGov Discussions > > <bgryth> Thanks everyone! > > See wiki [34]http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Plans > > [34] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Plans > > <Daniel_Bennett> [35]http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Plans > > [35] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Plans > > <bhyland> @pgryth, thank you for a very comprehensive dive on > Open Colorado, great work! Very interesting, thank you. > > Daniel_Bennett: The idea is that for each of these, we'll have > a meeting to get us towards a concrete/finsihed product. These > will be separate from the monthly eGov IG meetings > ... Series of Meetings > > Whiteboard/Ideas session > > Requirements > > Outline > > Delegation > > First Draft Deadline > > Executive Summary/One pager > > Editorial Session for content > > Editorial Session for accessibility, proofing, readability > > W3C vetting > > Daniel_Bennett: Delegation - volunteers often dry up so here's > where we get people to commit to deliver a section > ... that will tell us how real this is > > q > > <bhyland> Who is the target audience for this writeup? > > We can be quick when we have to be, honestly... > > <bhyland> @Daniel_Bennett … can you provide the 50,000' view of > what you're aiming to achieve with this writeup please? > > Daniel_Bennett: We may use the wiki or we may have a secretary > (prob me) who will collect text in whatever format and add it > to the wiki > > <Jeanne_Holm> Target audience is for the larger community of > eGov people who are not actually on the calls themselves. > > Daniel_Bennett: I think having a checklist for gov workers is > important > ... it can be something generic enough for everyone to use and > can be tailored to specific circumstances > > <Jeanne_Holm> Daniel_Bennett: Have a menu for social media to > broaden the possibilities > > <Jeanne_Holm> > [36]http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Checklist_for_Social_Media > > [36] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Checklist_for_Social_Media > > <bhyland> @Jeanne_Holm, so is it a summary of all the eGov > meetings or a work product like a best practices doc? > > Daniel_Bennett: The idea is that there is a process - rules > etc. on how they do things. So first thing would be to draw a > diagram of how they do things in that department > > <Jeanne_Holm> Bhyland--a work product that will highlight some > best practices (not to be an exhaustive research project) and > the important things for gov implementers and those in the > field to be aware of based on research and implementations > presented from our group. > > <bhyland> @jeanne_holm, thanks, understand. > > Daniel_Bennett: Then any legal issues. The federal gov has a > specific contract. Others might have similar things to deal > with. Accessibility, privacy etc. > ... May be rules on moderation > ... May be rules on publishing government communications, > activities etc. > ... In the whiteboard session I can look at the different > layers so folks can see who they'll need to talk to > ... Moves on to the menu > [37]http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Menu_for_Social_Media > > [37] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Menu_for_Social_Media > > <Jeanne_Holm> q > > Daniel_Bennett: Hoping to have a meeting every 2 weeks to make > progress. Hope people are interested to lend a hand > > Jeanne_Holm: I just want to mention a couple of things. You've > done some of these before - I like the framework > ... You didn't volunteer to do everything. > > Daniel_Bennett: I volunteered to do the social media one > > Jeanne_Holm: We're looking for volunteers for this but also to > do the same thing for the open data series as well > > Daniel_Bennett: Any questions or, better still, offers of help? > > <Jeanne_Holm> Please make sure to include me on the meeting for > social media write up! > > Daniel_Bennett: I'll take help from outsdie the Interest Group! > > bhyland: I would encourage at least quarterly attendance for > some folk here in the GLD Working Group > [38]http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ > > [38] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ > > <Jeanne_Holm> These are great meetings and I enoucrage people > to attend as well. I attend as able. > > bhyland: The vocab discussions may not be the ones of greatest > interest but the best practice meetings would be - procurement, > publishing etc. > > brand: In a broader perspective... all this work with > government open data and linked data should have started in a > different way. Should have started with most interesting data > and then move other data sets to the same direction > > <Jeanne_Holm> Brand: This should have started in a different > way with the best data from the gov agencies in the best > standards and then to move the rest of the data that way. > > brand: We tried to make data.gov that way but it ended up > essentially being an IT project > ... I'm writing a paper for the Japanese government. They > started with CKAN. I've been asked to take the statistical data > they have and put that into a standardised linked data format > as well as the CKAN data > ... It's all about trying to take the best data a country has > first and then get the open data to match > > WWW2013 Brazil > > Jeanne_Holm: Are we interested in organising a session on > eGov/Open data? > ... It could be based on the social media Note that we should > have published by then, possibly the one on open data by then > too > ... If we can come together in the coming weeks and see who > wants to be involved - it's a good opportunity for the group > > General call for help with flights > > <bhyland> PhilA2: The W3C staff involved in Society & > Technology Activity believe the tech stack is nearly complete. > > <bgryth> @bhyland - we would be happy to discuss lessons > learned. Let me know how you'd like to do that. > > <Jeanne_Holm> PhilA2: OKF and UK ODI event on Open Data on the > Web: use, discovery, find it programmatically, vocabulary > development > > <bhyland> Next requirements involve: #1 - Validation; #2 - > Programmatic & developer access & re-use of data; #3 - > Vocabulary development (some being done in W3C GLD WG), looking > to consider more 'crowd sourced' approaches ... > > <Jeanne_Holm> PhilA2: This is just tentative and may happen > > European data Forum 2013 [39]http://2013.data-forum.eu/ > > [39] http://2013.data-forum.eu/ > > <bhyland> European Data Forum, 9-10 April in Dublin Ireland … > all about open data + Linked Data > > <bhyland> Yeah! > > Jeanne_Holm: Next meeting at this time is on 14th Dec > ... Rufus Pollock is scheduled for the next IG meeting which is > on 26th Nov 09:00GMT - bad for US folk, sorry > ... Brain Handspicker has volunteered to scribe next time. > > <bhyland> @jeanne-holm, perhaps a 15 debrief on GLD WG > including community directory work makes sense … a brief on > what we've completed in last 16 mos & plan for remaining months > of our charter (7 mos). > > <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Jeanne. volunteers can list their names > on the Plans wiki page or email me daniel@citizencontact.com > > >
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