Re: Stickers in contenteditable?

I can pass along questions you might have and/or get you in touch with some
people if needed.

However, I don't see how "stickers" by themselves warrant any special
support -- they're basically just inline images with no real consistency
between vendors or even between sticker packs from the same vendor.

Having stickers provided by the OS/UA is a non-starter because there is no
unified registry (nor do we want to maintain one). Even if there was a
registry (like Unicode is for emoji), there are still issues where users on
one platform get annoyed unless their stickers/emoji show up *exactly* as
they appeared when the message was composed. Many users specifically misuse
emoji based on the appearance (cf. eggplant emoji) and don't want the
recipient to get a different image.

So to support stickers properly, we'd really just need to support generic
inline images. Anything beyond that feels out of scope for the editing api.

But I worry that spending time adding support for inline images/rich
content (while quite useful) would be a distraction from nailing down the
remaining issues.

I think that this might be worth doing, but I'm not convinced that it's
worth doing right now.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Grisha Lyukshin <glyuk@microsoft.com> wrote:

> In addition, to stickers, there could be any rich content, really. We
> could have something like "richContentInput" with some metadata, containing
> what the content is, or something similar.
>
>
> @Chrome folks: do you happen to have contacts in Gmail, Google+ or any
> other Google editors that have some kind of messaging capability that we
> could inquire about this and other editing related questions?
>
>
> - Grisha
>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:57:07 AM
> *To:* public-editing-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Stickers in contenteditable?
>
> Hey,
> today we spoke about potentially adding a way to add stickers within
> contenteditable as a new input Type. Basically, the OS/User agent would
> provide an image which then could be used across apps. The OS would decide
> whether it will allow users to add their own stickers and how that process
> would be, or whether it only would allow standard OS-provided stickers.
>
> One of the advantage of providing stickers from the user agent rather than
> having stickers implemented in each web app would be that it would allow
> users to use the same sticker across web apps.
>
> Grisha explained his idea about it, and I must say it appears to be useful
> for at least some use cases. It may be obvious that stickers are not
> suitable for all types of formal writing, but for a lot of what people
> write in a more social setting, they may be useful. For example, last year
> I was contacted by a group of young media people in one Central American
> country. They wondered if there was a way that they could spread an emoji
> in celebration of a national day in that country which they hoped to hoped
> to spread through the national media of for people to use. Unfortunately I
> had to tell them that emojis were simply unicode characters, and that none
> of the provided alternatives seemed suitable for their purpose. Had one had
> this sticker system in place, that may have been an alternative.
>
> Similar images may be useful for this purpose in other geographic areas
> (check for example how people in the UK try to use the remembrance day
> poppy in social media posts [1]) or related to specific subcultures that
> won't all be coverable with emojis simply because there are so many of
> them. It may be down to a family or single person who decides to spread the
> same image across several social media networks or forum posts.
>
> But the question remains: Is this something other browser vendors and the
> developers of web apps making use of contenteditable would find useful? I
> am trying to reach out to various JS editor developers and it would be good
> if people here could give feedback as well and if possible contact the JS
> projects that could potentially use this within their organizations.
>
> As I see it, this would require adding an input type to beforeinput/input
> that specifies that the user would like to insert a sticker image together
> with the image data. "Stickers" would then also be among the features that
> could be specified to be turned off for a specific contenteditable element.
>
> [1] http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/add-remembrance-poppy-
> 2016-facebook-6751550
>
> --
> Johannes Wilm
> http://www.johanneswilm.org
> tel: +1 (520) 399 8880 <(520)%20399-8880>
>