Re: License for DCAT vocabulary?

+1 from me.


BTW, I wonder whether CC0 could be retroactively applied to the DCAT2 ontology.


Andrea


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From: pedro winstley <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>
Sent: 16 January 2020 23:44:12
To: Philippe Le Hégaret
Cc: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton); Riccardo Albertoni; Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran; Dataset Exchange Working Group
Subject: Re: License for DCAT vocabulary?

It sounds good to me Philippe
We're looking to make some moves towards V3 by then and the draft of the V3 ontology could be published in the early PWDs as CC0.

I'm think that we don't want any delay with publishing V2

Do other colleagues concur?

Peter

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, 20:30 Philippe Le Hégaret, <plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>> wrote:


On 1/15/2020 9:38 PM, Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) wrote:
> CC0 on the ontology provides the possibility of direct adoption by Wikidata, which would be better than their typical approach of cloning the ontology into their own namespace.
>
> But as a general principle, we should put the minimum barriers to reuse possible.  In my opinion CC0 is actually fine, provided we ensure that the URI of every vocabulary elements will de-reference to an artefact that contains attribution information.

So, after exchanging emails with legal, here is the catch: the Director
isn't allowed to grant an exception to the Software and Document license
without advice by the AC. That's embedded in the W3C Membership
agreement signed by between a W3C Member and the 4 W3C hosts
organization. Now, in the recent years, we got support from the AC to
use CC-BY, thus we could switch to CC-BY 4.0 right away for the
vocabulary file. To be able to go to CC0 will require a loop with the
AC. The timing is rather unfortunate since we just did a loop with a
proposed charter to the AC and we probably don't want to delay DCAT-2
for 2 months. So I guess I would propose to switch to CC-BY 4 for now
and wait until June 2020 to do a new rechartering again.

Now, the reason why June is interesting is because, if things are on
track, we'll have to recharter to use Process 2020 (due to the
significant change in the patent policy). At that time, we could add CC0
for the vocabulary file directly in the charter to do yet another AC
review. How does that sound?

Philippe

> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, 16 January, 2020 01:11
> To: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; pedro winstley <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com<mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>>
> Cc: Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it<mailto:albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>>; Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>>; Dataset Exchange Working Group <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: License for DCAT vocabulary?
>
> One question related to the use of CC0 for wikidata.
>
> I found the following:
> [[
> All data on Wikidata is released under Creative Commons CC0 (public domain).
> ]]
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Data_donation#Wikidata_and_copyright<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Data_donation*Wikidata_and_copyright__;Iw!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLkC04rXY$>
>
> I don't understand why the vocabulary files have to be under CC0, unless we plan to submit those to wikidata.
>
> I would expect that for the formats used to submit data to wikidata don't have to be under CC0 themselves, while the data files using those formats have to.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Philippe
>
> On 12/16/2019 6:55 PM, Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) wrote:
>> (Note that I distinguish between the Rec document - which definitely
>> should have the W3C license - and the RDF representation of the
>> vocabulary. The RDF is not software, nor is it a traditional document
>> for which most licenses were constructed. IMO CC0 is best for the
>> RDF.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December, 2019 10:52
>> To: Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>>; pedro winstley
>> <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com<mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>>
>> Cc: Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it<mailto:albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>>; Alejandra
>> Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>>; Dataset
>> Exchange Working Group <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>>
>> Subject: RE: License for DCAT vocabulary?
>>
>> This piece I would like to clarify:
>>
>>> provided that you include the following on ALL copies of the work
>>> **or portions thereof**
>>
>> Unclear what this means in connection with someone using elements from an RDF vocabulary.
>> Does there have to be a license statement on every mention?
>> Clearly that would be silly, but the license could be read that way.
>> It is concerns like this which have led Wikidata to reject any ontology that has a license more onerous than CC-0.
>>
>> While I think that Wikidata are being a bit extreme, I would concede their main concern.
>> If we want the RDF vocabaulary to be widely used, then the license should be maximally permissive.
>> (The 'attribution' requirement is met effectively through the URIs
>> being in a W3 domain, which can be dereferenced to get details of the
>> license information.)
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December, 2019 07:00
>> To: pedro winstley <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com<mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>>
>> Cc: Riccardo Albertoni <albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it<mailto:albertoni@ge.imati.cnr.it>>; Alejandra
>> Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>>; Dataset
>> Exchange Working Group <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>>
>> Subject: Re: License for DCAT vocabulary?
>>
>> Actually, after checking with our legal, it appears that we're
>> currently infringing the Working Group charter for all of the
>> publications of DCAT
>> 2 since the FPWD in 2018. We didn't catch this up at the time (oops).
>>
>> [[
>> This Working Group will use the W3C Document license for all its deliverables.
>> ]]
>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLjzBPDJ0$>
>>
>> Now, this wording is also in the proposed charter of the Working Group:
>>     https://www.w3.org/2019/11/proposed-dx-wg-charter-2019.html<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2019/11/proposed-dx-wg-charter-2019.html__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLq33p9EA$>
>>
>> So, I suggest that folks carefully review the charter and propose to change this to:
>> [[
>> This Working Group will use the W3C Software and Document license for all its deliverables.
>> ]]
>>
>> Assuming we do update the new charter, the Director can then approves the REC with the permissive license. Using CC BY 4 for the TTL will be fine.
>>
>> Philippe
>>
>> On 12/16/2019 2:08 PM, pedro winstley wrote:
>>> https://github.com/catalogue-of-services-isa/CPSV-AP/issues/38#issuec<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/catalogue-of-services-isa/CPSV-AP/issues/38*issuec__;Iw!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLMqkb2qA$>
>>> o
>>> mment-566148135
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be sensible to coordinate these discussions
>>>
>>> CC BY 4.0  makes sense
>>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 18:10, Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org<mailto:plh@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/2019 12:53 PM, Riccardo Albertoni wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alejandra,
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment in the DCAT TTL and the other RDF serializations, we
>>>>> have
>>>> the
>>>>> statement
>>>>>
>>>>>> dct:license <
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2015/copyright-software-and-doc<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2015/copyright-software-and-doc__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLdFEGSAk$>
>>>>> u
>>>>> ment
>>>>>
>>>>> ;"
>>>>>
>>>>> If I remember well, we inserted this link when validating of DCAT
>>>>> by mean of OOPS http://oops.linkeddata.es/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://oops.linkeddata.es/__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLRaIxDg4$>.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know if we want to change it or if you think the license
>>>>> should also be mentioned elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Use it. It's the same one as the DCAT2 document itself. You cannot
>>>> be more restrictive than this license in any case. If you have
>>>> reasons to be more restrictive, I'll be curious to know why.
>>>>
>>>> Philippe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>      Cheers,
>>>>>      Riccardo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 18:25, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <
>>>>> alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have not assigned a license to the DCAT vocabulary and I think
>>>>>> it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be important to set one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was trying to check if W3C has a policy around this, but I found
>>>>>> this thread from the PROV list:
>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2018Dec/0004.htm<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2018Dec/0004.htm__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLfpyR_qQ$>
>>>>>> l but it seems that there was no conclusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI, many of the OBO foundry ontologies
>>>>>> (http://www.obofoundry.org/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.obofoundry.org/__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVLCyQxDNo$>)
>>>> use
>>>>>> CC-BY (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/__;!!DOxrgLBm!RGtnn72zWhyPo94OxPgSo3twWjhRWj0UYKELXCOqVUU97ZvDdvokr7JbJ70pjdVL97lIhh0$>), which I
>>>>>> think
>>>> would
>>>>>> be an appropriate license?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alejandra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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