Re: DXWG Plenary: 2019-06-18T20:00:00

HI Rob
I didn't see this appearing on the public list. Are you experiencing any
difficulty with the list?
Cheers
Peter

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 00:48, Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au> wrote:

> This is somewhat misguided a discussion as formulated, as the IETF
> document has no official status and the intent has always been to update it
> to reflect the IETF relevant parts of the broader conneg approach. The
> canonical definition of profile, within current processes and
> deliverables,  is the one in the conneg document, as that is focussed on
> the functional requirements for behaviour based on profiles. (The Profiles
> ontology will need to be updated if necessary to reflect any substantive
> changes agreed in the conneg document. The DCAT (and any other) use of
> profiles will by necessity be a narrower usage, just because they start
> with a more specific constraint on what is being profiled. So as long as
> DCAT, Dublin core, MIME type profiles etc are understood within context,
> and functionally covered by the general definition, such usages are
> consistent with the canonical definition and conneg by profile mechanisms
> can be used in those contexts safely.
>
> If there is some other underlying goal or reason to have a different
> approach to setting the context for defining profiles it should be stated,
> although its really too late in the day to be introducing new requirements,
> and never useful to assert new requirements without a grounding Use Case.
> Otherwise, we have a working definition, and useful community feedback, and
> we are examining its accuracy and interpretation w.r.t. to functional
> requirements. The actual issue is whether we can identify any improvements
> in that definition. Starting up another process or discussion with a
> different scope around this is not useful of feasible at this stage IMHO.
>
> Rob
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 01:08, pedro winstley <
> pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, let's do that Karen. I will update
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019, 15:58 Karen Coyle, <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Could we add a discussion of Tom's email to the agenda? [1] Although he
>>> focuses on conformance, I think the email rounds up some important info
>>> about profile definitions.
>>>
>>> First, DCAT has a definition (in the green note [3]) that presumably is
>>> sufficient for DCAT purposes.
>>>
>>> Second, the IETF proposal has a definition that again is presumably
>>> sufficient for that proposal. [2] It would seem inappropriate for the
>>> conneg definition to be significantly different from the definition in
>>> the IETF proposal. In fact, it would probably be necessary for them to
>>> be the same or as close to the same as possible. (We should ping Lars on
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> Because of this, I see no reason to work on a definition of profile
>>> UNLESS the intention is to continue work on the profile guidance
>>> document and to develop a definition that is focused on the creation of
>>> profiles. That definition could be more specific as it would be
>>> attempting to drive the creation of a specific concept of profile. I
>>> don't think that definition would be a substitute for the IETF/conneg
>>> definition, and for DCAT that would be a question to be posed for a
>>> future version.
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2019Jun/0035.html
>>> [2]
>>> https://profilenegotiation.github.io/I-D-Accept--Schema/I-D-accept-schema
>>> [3] https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#conformance
>>>
>>> On 6/17/19 3:31 AM, pedro winstley wrote:
>>> > Dear Colleagues
>>> >
>>> > The next plenary meeting of DXWG will be at 2019-06-18T20:00:00 and
>>> > the agenda draft is at
>>> > https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.06.18
>>> >
>>> > The key discussion point will be to make some concrete plans and
>>> > schedule for the definition document describing 'profile' to be
>>> > sufficient for the requirements of the conneg and DCAT work, and
>>> > discussion of how well this covers the needs of the prof vocabulary.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> skype: kcoylenet
>>>
>>>