Re: DXWG Plenary: 2019-12-03

These are really good points.

When I put the polls out I see the large number of "sleeping" members of
DXWG and wish that they'd wake up and give even occasional contributions.

We need to find a better way of engaging people who sign up to the WG going
forward without disengaging the fabulous set of colleagues like yourself
who give so much.



On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 20:01 Annette Greiner, <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:

> Well, I think mostly the issues do end up in github; they just get
> postponed, or the raisers give up. Personally, I think it's a mistake to
> keep ignoring the hard issues and publishing anyway, because the more
> iterations we do the less the editors will want to allow changes. So we end
> up with stuff that hasn't iterated much in substance but just gets lots of
> little editorial changes. When I hear editors brag about how little the
> spec has changed, I cringe. I think what this group needs is some new
> people to bring a new perspective, so my feeling is that we shouldn't be
> rushing new versions out but that we should see what good some new voices
> can bring to the process.
> On 12/3/19 11:48 AM, pedro winstley wrote:
>
> I understand that situation Annette, but I wonder if there's a way of
> better capturing the essence of the concerns and a route to addressing
> them.
>
> Perhaps having an abstention option with scope for adding the github
> issue/s would give us a potential route.
>
> What do you/colleagues think?
>
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 19:43 Annette Greiner, <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I think abstention is occasionally helpful, when it indicates that you
>> aren't completely happy with the state of the product but don't want to
>> block consensus.
>> On 12/2/19 11:53 PM, pedro winstley wrote:
>>
>> "abstention" was mentioned in the context of the poll on the conneg pwd3
>> vote.
>>
>> I guess I was wrong to use that word, but there's scope to use the
>> reasons box to indicate abstention.
>>
>> I personally don't feel that abstention is useful in a group life this,
>> it makes decision making difficult. However, would colleagues like to see
>> this option in polls?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 06:35 Karen Coyle, <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You are right that there isn't an abstain, but we do need to know
>>> whether the group supports the publication of this note. So it would be
>>> good to hear from others if they would have voted if there had been an
>>> "abstain" option. We have time to do another poll if that is the case.
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:21 AM Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It does merit pointing out that the poll did not offer the opportunity
>>>> to abstain except by declining to fill it in, which most of us did.
>>>>
>>>> -Annette
>>>> On 12/2/19 3:26 AM, pedro winstley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues
>>>>
>>>> The plenary meeting is cancelled.  There are issues listed in the
>>>> agenda that we will deal with by correspondence.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.12.03
>>>>
>>>> These are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - The Conneg PWD 3 poll results (
>>>>    https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/Conneg3PWD/results ) show 10
>>>>    in favour and no abstentions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - The general consensus on the DCAT v1 discussion is that we intend
>>>>    to supercede DCAT1 when version 2 becomes a standard and that we decide on
>>>>    the formulation of text and links in the top of the DCAT1 page in
>>>>    https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1177. Please add your thoughts
>>>>    here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - There are only a few hours left to complete
>>>>    https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/prof-publish  Please cast your
>>>>    votes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peter & Karen - chairs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Annette Greiner (she)
>>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Annette Greiner (she)
>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>
>>
>> --
> Annette Greiner (she)
> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>
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