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RE: Best practice for a loosely-structured catalog?

From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:44:57 +0200
To: 'Jakub Klímek' <jakub@jakubklimek.com>, <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
Cc: <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>, <Jonathan.Yu@csiro.au>
Message-ID: <006d01d3ff2e$e4004dc0$ac00e940$@makxdekkers.com>
Jakub,

 

I don’t think you need permission to create a GitHub issue. Just create the issue, and I’ll participate in the discussion.

 

Makx.

 

 

From: Jakub Klímek <jakub@jakubklimek.com> 
Sent: 08 June 2018 10:11
To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au
Cc: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org; Jonathan.Yu@csiro.au
Subject: Re: Best practice for a loosely-structured catalog?

 

Dear Simon,

 

could this be made an issue on GitHub so that a proper discussion can be had?

 

In Czechia we are dealing with this approach on a daily basis and so far we have managed to keep the metadata more or less "clean", in the sense that "a bag of files" is to be split into properly described datasets with single distributions, with the only problem being the missing support for a dataset series to group them together, which is being solved in this DCAT revision.

 

>From your proposal, especially the <file*> parts it may seem that you would have a dcat:Dataset with no dcat:Distributions, linking directly to downloadable files with dct:relation and no metadata about them? That seems very messy to me. Hence the request for possibility to have a discussion on GitHub regarding this.

 

Best regards,

 

Jakub Klímek

 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 3:44 AM <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> > wrote:

Catalogueers: 

 

I’ve been doing some investigations of some local repositories and catalogues, and have uncovered that in many cases ‘datasets’ are ‘just a bag of files’. There is no distinction made between part/whole, distribution (representation), and other kinds of relationship (e.g. documentation, schema, supporting documents). So while the precision we are aiming for in DCAT is clearly valuable in terms of semantics, it is difficult to implement on these legacy systems. Mostly I see people using the Dataset-distribution-> relationship for everything … which is clearly incorrect in many cases. But I doubt if we are unusual in this. 

 

I’m thinking about how to advise on this, while not actually breaking DCAT. 

 

If we made dcat:distribution a sub-property of dct:relation 

 

dcat:distribution rdfs:subPropertyOf dct:relation .

 

then I think we can have a reasonable recommendation to the simple repositories. 

We could tell repositories that use the ‘just a bag of files’ approach to say 

 

               :Dataset987 a dcat:Dataset ; 

                              dct:relation <file1> , <file2> , <file3> , <file4> , <file5> , <file6> , <file7> … . 

 

which would not be inconsistent with a later reclassification to 

 

               :Dataset987 a dcat:Dataset ; 

                              dct:hasPart <file1> , <file2> ; 

                              dcat:distribution <file3> , <file4> ; 

                              dct:conformsTo <file5> ; 

                              dct:requires <file6> ;

dct:references <file7> .  

 

If this is not all mad, I will add a new use-case - something like ‘Mapping from simple repository model’ – as justification, and propose this tiny enhancement. 

 

Simon 

 

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