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Re: Plenary agenda June 5 / Partial list of requirements for approval / Informative supplement

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:56:54 +0200
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Hi,

Coming back to this, I still have big doubts about the methodology and what we're asked to do - at least about the categorization.

I'm looking at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1viuNJx_2dhSoEVOkjCG7cuuqzUqqR7fr4LvmP-t7T2A/ which is what Jaro proposes as a 'consolidated' classification/grouping.

But if I understand Jaro's instructions correctly, especially "red = requirements" then it seems that this list actually introduces new or re-worded requirements. For example there's "Profiles must list the expected constituents of compliant data instances, e.g. classes and properties of RDF data." in red.
This is not in the "list of requirements" at the top of the requirement working space at
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hV2tJ6Kg2Hfe7e1BowY5QfCIweH9GxSCFQV1aWtOPg/
The original requirements from that list are now listed as "context", according to Jaro.

I'm sorry but I can't review a grouping that introduces new requirements while we've not yet voted on the ones that we're discussing...

Antoine

On 04/06/18 22:12, Antoine Isaac wrote:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> Sorry I won't be able to do it. I'm trying my best to find time for the Europeana requirement analysis, which I'm very late on :-( And honestly my concern was a true one. I was happy with your answer for the general approach, but honestly I'm not sure what Jaro meant for some specific categories.
> 
> Antoine
> 
> On 04/06/18 21:16, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> Antoine, could you make that change? We need to be ready to discuss
>> these in about 24 hours and I'd like to avoid discussing the categories
>> rather than the actual requirements.
>>
>> kc
>>
>> On 6/4/18 9:42 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd echo Annette's concern here. Karen's answer was good enough for me,
>>> but Jaro's categorization is really too general. It's about functions
>>> like "Data creation and maintenance", "querying" etc. Can expressions
>>> like 'profile' and 'data expressed according to a profile' be employed
>>> to clarify the categories? This would make them longer, but at least
>>> we'd have a clearer idea of what (and what for) the requirements apply to.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>
>>> On 01/06/18 19:28, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Dear Karen, dear all
>>>>
>>>>       here are the same categories with an attempt to consolidate the
>>>> various wordings I collected across GitHub, the F2F wiki and UCR
>>>> document [1].
>>>>      Despite the peculiar approach the groupings might be of
>>>> informative value for our requirements discussion. Requirements are
>>>> colored in red, yet
>>>>      unclear statements in gray and the context is enclosed by comment
>>>> signs.
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards
>>>>      Jaro
>>>>    [1]
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1viuNJx_2dhSoEVOkjCG7cuuqzUqqR7fr4LvmP-t7T2A/edit#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On Friday, June 1, 2018 15:54 CEST, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.06.05
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaroslav organized the requirements into categories, and the first few
>>>>> categories are in the agenda for our discussion. PLEASE take a look at
>>>>> them and be ready to vote. We will try to vote on entire categories
>>>>> unless there are objections to specific requirements. If you will not be
>>>>> at the meeting but wish to comment or vote, you may do so in email and
>>>>> we will do our best to include your views.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
>>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
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