- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:02:49 +0000
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Today's minutes are at https://www.w3.org/2016/03/04-dwbp-minutes
With a text snapshot below.
Note that next Friday's call is the last before we head to Zagreb. The
aim is that by the time we leave Zagreb:
- all issues are closed
- all editors have sufficient info to complete the docs ready for
publication this month;
- for the BP doc, that means ready for the transition to Candidate Rec.
Expect firm chairing from Deirdre!
We'll be working out the agenda for Zagreb on Wednesday next week.
Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
04 Mar 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160304
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/04-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
deirdre, antoine, annette_g, riccardoAlbertoni, newton,
phila, ericstephan, hadleybeeman, laufer,
BernadetteLoscio, yaso
Regrets
Chair
deirdrelee
Scribe
yaso
Contents
* [4]Topics
* [5]Summary of Action Items
* [6]Summary of Resolutions
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<phila> chair: Dee
<deirdrelee> agenda:
[7]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160304
[7] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160304
Me too, hadleybeeman :-/ tryong to webex
<newton> deirdrelee: showing agenda. we're focusing today in
our f2f meeting in Zagreb
<newton> ... the meeting will be our last f2f meeting
<newton> ... it will be an opportunity share and exchange
information with SharePSI group
<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of last week's meeting
[8]https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
[8] https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
<hadleybeeman> +1
<deirdrelee> +1
<antoine> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<newton> +1
<phila> +0 absent
RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of last week's meeting
[9]https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
[9] https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
<annette_g> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> my name is missing ..
<riccardoAlbertoni> but it is not a big probelm
<riccardoAlbertoni> yes
<laufer> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> it could be ..
<ericstephan> I was absent
<newton> deirdrelee: get updates from each of the vocabularies
<newton> ... where we are, the plans for the coming weeks
<newton> ... let's discuss DUV vocabulary first
<newton> ericstephan: our goal to next weeks is to make sure
that we have the issues resolved before the f2f
<deirdrelee> open issues
[10]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
[10] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
<newton> scribe: yaso
<newton> changing scribing role to yaso (thanks yaso!)
ericstephan: we received a lot of comments on the citation
model
no problem, newton
:-)
deirdrelee: on the data usage vocab, any comments?
... if we can get a final version of these issues closed to
zagreb, that would be awesome
<riccardoAlbertoni>
[11]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
[11] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
<hadleybeeman> I had a FB exchange with Robin Berjon this
week... who was looking at
[12]https://research.science.ai/article/web-first-data-citation
s . Said he'd seen DUV but didn't really understand it.
[12] https://research.science.ai/article/web-first-data-citations
riccardoAlbertoni: the issues that are open, I tried to write a
proposal on this
<hadleybeeman> Robin also said he'd talked to the editors, but
still didn't get it. I'm not sure how to help sort this out?
riccardoAlbertoni: I dont think we will close all the issues by
then
antoine: I would like to raise the point of some external
comments that we have
... the issues that came from external people,
... this way we may close some of issues, at least the day of
the face to face
phila: by the time we leave zagreb all the issues on the 3 docs
have to be closed
... so antoine, please write to that people so we can close the
issues
antoine: we received one e-mail that we did not touched yet,
there also a couple of discussions that are extremely long
... the discussion we have was extremely constructive, so that
where we are now
deirdrelee: makes sense to address the issues during the week
... so we can get them on their way before the meeting
... thinking in terms of the agenda for zagreb, we can focus on
the best practices as well, but on the time dedicated to the
vocabs,
]
scribe: we have to work on the vocabs because they have more
issues open
phila: the share psi people will be there on Tuesday, so we can
think in terms of a day and a half
<phila>
[13]https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/wiki/Zagreb/social
[13] https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/wiki/Zagreb/social
BernadetteLoscio: wanted to talk about zagreb
antoine: to talk about vocabs and zagreb
deirdrelee: topic: ZAGREB
phila: look at the link so you can acknowledge when people are
arriving and leaving
... there'll be some external interest, and my expectation for
this afternoon is talking about evidence of implementation
... the motivation to put sharepsi and dwbp together is to ease
the evidence of implementation talk
BernadetteLoscio: we can also estimate how long we will be in
the discussion
deirdrelee: our focus should be about closing issues, the more
ready we can be until zagreb better
<BernadetteLoscio>
[14]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comment_tracker_status
[14] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comment_tracker_status
deirdrelee: tks BernadetteLoscio for the idea
BernadetteLoscio: I made a table at wiki, w/ the tracker
comments, so the idea is to have an ideia of how long
discussions will take
... and I think we could do the same for the vocabs
lots of noise, someone typing really hard
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to antoine
<laufer> +1
antoine, can you write down what you've said? I lost it
Sorry: -/
<antoine> I said it would be good to have some parallel
sessions to start the F2F to be sure we can have prepared
plenary
thanks, antoine !
<antoine> Having the plenary discss everything may be
counter-productive as we've got very diverse issues
phila: we can have an extra room if we need it
laufer: what we expect from zagreb
... I want to know from phila if we still have time for a new
bp
phila: if you it ready before the zagreb, and the editors
acknowledge that
laufer: but we would not have comments from public
phila: if you got the evidence, examples and all, then the
group can have a look at it, and theres no process that says
you can't
deirdrelee: is something straightforward?
laufer: we have some best practices that talk about specific
domains, for example specs for timetables, or feeds
... when people want to publish a dataset, don't know if this
can be a " data set type"
... for example, the open transport is a way to distribute
timetables
deirdrelee: so laufer you should send an email today, so we can
see and analyze to solve this quickly
phila: I think we already got a BP for this, is "use
standardized terms"
... maybe you should include this on the use standardized
terms, instead of a new BP for this
... SDW is a specialization of what this group is doing
deirdrelee: i don't want go down on this topic now...
laufer,
<annette_g> standard data model
laufer: its more than only using the terms. Is about an
specific way of distributing the files
deirdrelee: we should move on to the BP doc
... for zagreb, what are our goals, BernadetteLoscio
BernadetteLoscio: what the SDW is doing is an extension, I
think we should include their work in ours
phila: you got a lot of introductory material
<deirdrelee> open knowledge discussion on APIs and GTFS....
[15]https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-transport/2016-Februa
ry/thread.html
[15]
https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-transport/2016-February/thread.html
phila: you can just write "this doc is generic, please bare in
mind"
<Zakim> newton, you wanted to talk about implementation report
newton: about the BP doc, we need implementation, I'd like to
know when we are going to start the implementation report
phila: I have to do this, and I'll do. What you need is people
trying to use it
... i'll probably will do a google form for it
deirdrelee: coming back to the BP doc and editors plan
<newton> phila, should create an action to that?
<phila> I already have one
deirdrelee: from the table that you've prepared, do you see
that those are adressable?
BernadetteLoscio: the table is for the comment tracker
<newton> ok, let me know if I can help you with that
BernadetteLoscio: for external comments. Most of them are ok, I
saw that annette_g sent a messagem about eric's comments, and I
really hope that we can close this comments
<phila> It's my action-229, newton
[16]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
[16] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
BernadetteLoscio: because I should discuss the open issues at
the f2f
phila: the wg csv has been closed, and in their f2f they had a
closed time to each issue
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to offer some advice on time boxing
phila: and if they don't resolve that in the closed minutes
that goes to the end of the day
... and it is a great way to work on issues
<hadleybeeman> +1 to phila's recommendation.... that worked
well with csv on the web
+1 to phila
deirdrelee: we have 27 open issues, and we will not have time
at the f2f to solve all of them there, so we can try to close
them and resolve the issues and comments in the next week
... I know it's easier said than done, but
... so giving resolutions should be priority to the editors
<deirdrelee>
[17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
[17] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
deirdrelee: we have kind of putting aside the open actions
... but as the chairs of the group we are going thru that
actions and see what can be closed or not
... +1 to the idea :-)
<BernadetteLoscio> its ok!
<newton> I'm gonna work full time on the BP doc next week
deirdrelee: we have to try to have as much as possible of
things prepared to the f2f
<newton> yaso: there's nobody from the InWeb (data enrichment
guys) on the call today
<phila> [18]Draft Member Submission from InWeb
[18] http://www.inweb.org.br/w3c/dataenrichment/
<newton> ... InWeb sent us an email asking if they could send
to group a Member Submission with BP related to data enrichment
<newton> ... I don't know if we should talk about it without
them on the meeting
<newton> deirdrelee: nobody feels very strong on it
<annette_g> -1 for dropping it
<newton> yaso: I would like to know what the group think
<newton> phila: to get this document to rec, we should proof
that every BP is implemented
+1
<newton> ... we might struggle to get the BPs of data
enrichment implemented
phila: we might struggle to prove that it's been done in more
that 1 place (about that BP)
... we can flag that as "at risk"
deirdrelee: realistically, the inweb team has to provide
examples, and take ownership on that
<phila> +1 Dee
agree
+1
antoine: I can provide some examples of implementation on the
data enrichment
... the BP itself is alright, maybe a bit generic
deirdrelee: maybe is about removing the link between the member
submission and the BP
... and we can refer to the MS, but not necessarily
... does that makes sense?
+1
BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure
... maybe the BP needs to be rewritten
deirdrelee: more comments?
<antoine>
[19]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JvjrWMTpMIH7WnuieNqcT0z
pJAXUPo6x4uMBj1pEx0Y/
[19]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JvjrWMTpMIH7WnuieNqcT0zpJAXUPo6x4uMBj1pEx0Y/
Ok, perfect, deirdrelee !
BernadetteLoscio: I think that this should not be a decision of
the editors
+1 to BernadetteLoscio
<ericstephan_> +1 BernadetteLoscio
deirdrelee: next friday: preps for zagreb
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
<hadleybeeman> :)
<riccardoAlbertoni> cool!!!
phila: people told me that they like what they are doing
<antoine> :-)
<laufer> :):)
<annette_g> :)
<newton> nice :)
<BernadetteLoscio> cool!!!
phila: so I'm optimistic and happy etc
<ericstephan_> bye
:-)
<newton> thanks yaso for scribing and deirdre for chairing :)
<riccardoAlbertoni> bye 1
<annette_g> bye!!
<laufer> bye all...
<newton> bye
Bye all!!!
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [20]Approve minutes of last week's meeting
https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
[End of minutes]
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