- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:06:57 +0000
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
As I mentioned in the call today, I plan to start doing for this WG what
I do for SDW (and we do routinely for our internal meetings) which is to
circulate the minutes on this list which I hope, makes it easier to rack
what we're doing if you can't make the call.
Today's minutes are at https://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes
And a text snapshot is provided below.
Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
05 Feb 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160205
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
phila, PWinstanley, yaso, antoine, newton, Caroline_,
ericstephan, annette_g, laufer, hadleybeeman,
RiccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee
Regrets
Chair
Yaso
Scribe
PWinstanley
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Dataset usage Vocabulary
2. [6]Best Practices, table of issue
* [7]Summary of Action Items
* [8]Summary of Resolutions
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.present+ PWinstanley
password for webex?
<Yaso> is xGbzp445, PWinstanley
:-) thanks
<Yaso> no problem :-)
<phila> Yaso: Any volunteer to scribe this week?
<phila> scribe: PWinstanley
<annette_g> *waves back*
<Yaso> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
<annette_g> Yaso, you are very quiet
<annette_g> better
<Yaso> [9]https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
[9] https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
<phila> PROPOSED: Accept
[10]https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
[10] https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
<ericstephan> it may be your firewall PWinstanley
<annette_g> +1
<Yaso> +1
<Caroline_> +1
<phila> +1
<ericstephan> 0 (was absent)
<newton> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept
[11]https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
[11] https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
<PWinstanley_> phila: will start emailing minutes each week
Dataset usage Vocabulary
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: DUV
<Yaso> [12]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
[12] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
<phila> [13]latest published version
[13] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv
<ericstephan> [14]https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#DataIdentifiers
[14] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#DataIdentifiers
<ericstephan> [15]https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#feedbacksection
[15] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#feedbacksection
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: We haven't made links between DUV
and the best practices
<PWinstanley_> ...in the glossary there is mention of a
citation, but we don't describe a reference
<PWinstanley_> ...separation of these is important and needs to
be done
<ericstephan> [16]https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/
[16] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: we have been very busy the past 2
weeks trying to get comments (comments from Robin haven't been
responded to yet)
<PWinstanley_> .... trying to write in a collaboration journal
<PWinstanley_> ....opportunity to present a poster too
<PWinstanley_> ...these are good opportunities to publicise the
DUV
<ericstephan> [17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/235
[17] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/235
<PWinstanley_> ...Bernadette will be publishing it at meetings
too
<phila> [18]FORCE 11 Event, April - DUV has a poster session
[18] https://www.force11.org/article/force2016-april-17-19-2016
<ericstephan> [19]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
[19] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
<PWinstanley_> ...issue 235, a note back to the editors to make
sure we are finding the right namespaces
<phila> I'm planning to offer help with Issue-235
<PWinstanley_> .... JP had questions about the role of the
usage tool. We are going to be routing ideas through to
communities that have an interest in usage vocabularies
<PWinstanley_> ...questions on 235?
<phila> issue-234?
<trackbot> issue-234 -- Role of Usage Tool -- open
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
[20] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
<phila> issue-235
<trackbot> issue-235 -- Namespaces in DUV -- open
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/235
[21] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/235
<PWinstanley_> phila: I am offereing to help (235 - namespaces)
. when I was getting doc ready for publication I needed to look
through but was careful not to tidy up what I found. However,
probably not this month
<ericstephan> [22]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/236
[22] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/236
<Yaso> issue-236
<trackbot> issue-236 -- agentClassification,
usageClassification, skos:Concept -- open
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/236
[23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/236
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: 236 was more a general question
abobut SKOS and usage classification.
<Yaso> ericstephan: almost can't hear you
<ericstephan> I have bad reception
<Caroline_> it is better now! :)
<PWinstanley_> ... 236 - JP had some concerns about the use of
SKO Concept. The rationale was to be able to describe something
beyond what was described for e.g. a Person (including type of
Person etc)
<PWinstanley_> phila: the org ontonlogy has concepts of
classification and purpose. I worry about type of person, we
all fulfill multiple roles and ascribing a type to a person
might be problematic
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: we did have a usage role but were
pushed into the FOAF corner.
<PWinstanley_> antoine: I have reservation about introducing
new properties. It is the design principle I don't like.
<PWinstanley_> ...if there was a way to reuse from other vocabs
I think that would be better
<PWinstanley_> ...we could recommend using vocabs from another
namespace
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: sounds like a pattern of
recommendation rather than formal inclusion
<PWinstanley_> antoine: yes
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: it sounds like we are trying to
address corner cases, and that might be confusing to people. In
order to be inclusive we could show patterns
<phila> +1 to limiting the scope
<PWinstanley_> antoine: it is a matter of determing core usage
vs occasional use where the authoratative version lies
elsewhere
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: there could be an appendix to
address these things
<ericstephan> [24]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/237
[24] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/237
<PWinstanley_> ...237: there was a question about the use of a
term that we found for feedback.
<PWinstanley_> ...we found this class (recommended from a
social networking vocab) and inserted this into the model. JP's
concern is that this introduces another obscure concept to the
model.. So, do we just creata a DUV term rather than importing
only one term from this other vocab
<annette_g> +1 for keeping the number of referred vocabs lower
<PWinstanley_> phila: if it is just one term then minting is OK
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: we can put a comment to refer it to
the other
<PWinstanley_> hadleybeeman: +1 to phil's comment. the fewer
references to other normative standards the better,
<PWinstanley_> ...for the sake of stability caution is better
here
<PWinstanley_> antoine: I agree
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: do we need a vote?
<phila> close issue-237
<trackbot> Closed issue-237.
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: no, it's OK
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: I think there might be an
opportunity to write some notes about vocab reuse in builfding
the DUV - some best practice notes illustrating how to reuse
vocabularies
<PWinstanley_> ...I think it is an interesting journy we are on
<Yaso> akc antoine
<PWinstanley_> antoine: I am involved in other groups keen on
identify these guidelines, so we don't want too many developing
BPs. This though might be brought into our own Best Practices
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: I would like that - to document
things and show the evolution of the vocabulary. I think it is
something many go through when building vocabs
<PWinstanley_> antoine: can an action be recorded
<phila> ACTION: antoine to work with eric S on writing section
on evolution of DUV wrt reuse of namespaces etc. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Work with eric s on writing
section on evolution of duv wrt reuse of namespaces etc. [on
Antoine Isaac - due 2016-02-12].
<ericstephan> [26]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/238
[26] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/238
<Yaso> tks phila!
<phila> issue-238
<trackbot> issue-238 -- Should some of our properties be sub
properties of a parent property? -- open
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/238
[27] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/238
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: 238 - Carlos (not on the call) - in
some cases we decided that instead of having 2 domains for
dataset and distribution we break out the properties
<ericstephan>
[28]https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/#Vocab_Overview
[28] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/#Vocab_Overview
<PWinstanley_> ...looking at the centre of the model I think
that this concern about properties we have broken out - are
they subproperties, or not
<PWinstanley_> laufer: in the way that was defined before, we
have a conjunction of 2 domains. when someone defines a
property there will be a distribution defined at the same time
as a dataset.
<PWinstanley_> ...the solution implemneted was 2 properties,
each with one domain. but we need another so that the
vocabulary can describe things that are not dcat:dataset or
dcat:distribution
<laufer> I can hear
<phila> acl p
<laufer> I think thta we have different definitions of dataset
<laufer> data cube, for example... or a datacube slice...
<PWinstanley_> phila: while Laufer is writing, I understood him
to ask if we need to put domain and range restrictions
everywhere. This ties people down to using the vocab in a
narrowly specified way
<laufer> so, it will be interesting to have these propertises,
like refersTo, with no ranges, for example
<ericstephan> I would prefer a simpler view with no domains or
ranges
<laufer> so duv could be reused...
<antoine> +1
<PWinstanley_> ...where the vocab defines a dataset and a
distribution, where it doesn't damage the vocab, I would
support Laufer in not referring to domain & range
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: I totally agree with simplifying. I
think we were trying to mimic other vocabs that mentioned these
things, but I would prefer not to specify domain & range
<laufer> we can, in our examples, show the use for a dcat
dataset or distribution... but others used could be nice too...
<phila> PROPOSED: Do not include domains and ranges on
properties unless it genuinely adds to the semantics
<laufer> If duv want to define subproperties for specific uses,
I think is ok too...
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: next item is BP doc, the table of issues
<Caroline_> +1
<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
<Yaso> +1
<phila> +1
<PWinstanley_> +1
<ericstephan> +1
<laufer> +1
RESOLUTION: Do not include domains and ranges on properties
unless it genuinely adds to the semantics
<hadleybeeman> +1
<newton> +1
<annette_g> +1
Best Practices, table of issue
<Yaso> [29]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
[29] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: next agenda item is the table of issues
that the editors sent recently
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: Newton prepared a table to visualise
what needs to be done for each BP
<Caroline_>
[30]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Plan_for_CR
[30] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Plan_for_CR
<PWinstanley_> ...we have prepared target dates as per last
call
<PWinstanley_> ...we can allocate work from this
<PWinstanley_> ...so take a look
<phila> Just to record, looking at the table, I am feeling smug
<PWinstanley_> ...most important thing is to get people
assigned
<PWinstanley_> ...some names have been added, but change/add as
you think appropriate. There are still some empty places in the
allocation
<PWinstanley_> ...we put Feb 19 as a date
<PWinstanley_> antoine: put me on 16 & 17
<phila> [31]Table of duties
[31] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
<hadleybeeman> Ah, thanks phila! I was on the BP_plan_for_CR
<PWinstanley_> ... and a question about 18. JP is there. Is
there scope for distinguishing between tentative and confirmed
assignments?
<PWinstanley_> newton: we just made some suggestions. if you
are ok then we keep
<PWinstanley_> antoine: but how do we distinguish between
proposed and confirmed assignments?
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: please can people confirm their
assignments
<annette_g> I'm happy to help where my name shows up
<RiccardoAlbertoni> let's put in green the people who has
confirmed ..
<phila> Like annette_g, I'm happy with my assignments
<ericstephan> oops I am very delinquent looking at the
table...my apologies...I am happy with my assignments
<PWinstanley_> antoine: I have a quesiton about assignment, did
you use the table prepared some weeks ago?
<newton>
[32]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_example_contr
ibutors
[32]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_example_contributors
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: we created another table - it is
easier to see things
<PWinstanley_> ...newton used the one on the wiki as the basis
to make this more detailed version of the table
<PWinstanley_> ...we are focusing on the examples, we used that
table as a basis for assignment
<PWinstanley_> ...but things are not fixed - you can choose to
work on other things
<newton> who is not comfortable to contribute in one specific
BP, we can change it...
<RiccardoAlbertoni> I confirm my contribution in Bp 7
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: can people on this call attend to
confirming, or altering their assignment
<newton> thanks RiccardoAlbertoni
<RiccardoAlbertoni> yes.. i can
<RiccardoAlbertoni> whatever i will start
<PWinstanley_> phila: I am happy with the assignments - and
unusually I have lots of green on my assignments
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: Newton sent an email a few days ago - we
could use the github assignment
<annette_g> does needs review mean review by editors?
<newton> @annette_g, not only by the editors, but from the
group, because we need to make sure that the tests are
deterministics
<PWinstanley_> ericstephan: I am on the opposite end of the
spectrum - lots of red - but am comfortable with my
assignments. I think it is OK as it is, but will think about
versioning with Phil
<PWinstanley_> phila: send me an email
<newton> @annette_g and the editors could help with who was
assigned to the tasks in what is necessary
<annette_g> yes
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: maybe annette could confirm her
assignments
<annette_g> yes
<annette_g> I think I could help with versioning
<PWinstanley_> I could help with 16 & 17
<laufer> yes
<newton> @PWinstanley_ would you like to contribute in another
one, this way we can replace the "?" :-)
<laufer> I think it is ok... my timetable is full...
<PWinstanley_> ok .... let me know another
<phila> I can ping Christophe who wrote those BPs
<phila> He's still reachable
<ericstephan> bp 6 is pretty easy
<PWinstanley_> I will take 28 and 29
<ericstephan> someone should be able to pick that up
<PWinstanley_> antoine: question about contribution - what has
happened to the contributor listing?
<PWinstanley_> ...the previous version had a list of
contributors
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: there is a coding issue that Phil is
sorting out
<PWinstanley_> ...the generation of the first page has a
problem that is being resolved in due course
<phila> ACTION: phila to fix bpconfig.js to restore
contributors to BP doc [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Fix bpconfig.js to restore
contributors to bp doc [on Phil Archer - due 2016-02-12].
<phila> Good to see such focussed progress!
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: all covered. Thanks for making yourselves
available. Editors are available if you need specific help
<PWinstanley_> newton: Do we need to create actions for each
piece of work?
<ericstephan> annette_g are you going to CoDa in Santa Fe March
1-2?
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: we should perhaps use github. I will send
an email.
<annette_g> @ericstephan, I don't even know what that is
<PWinstanley_> phila: if we come back to the table every week
then we don't need an action
<ericstephan> annette_g
[34]http://www.cvent.com/events/coda-2016-conference-on-data-an
alysis-2016/event-summary-a11ed42531524891a3ebeb626147a980.aspx
[34]
http://www.cvent.com/events/coda-2016-conference-on-data-analysis-2016/event-summary-a11ed42531524891a3ebeb626147a980.aspx
<PWinstanley_> Caroline_: next and the following week can we
have this on the agenda
<PWinstanley_> Yaso: no problem
<ericstephan> It might be an interesting place to talk about
some topics
<ericstephan> data versioning etc
<annette_g> @ericstephan whoa! maybe...
<phila> [35]Zagreb F2F
[35] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/ZagrebF2F
<PWinstanley_> phila: if you are going to Zagreb fill in the
wiki
<ericstephan> Its really limited in terms of who can go, but
would be interesting for you to go
<laufer> bye all... nice wknd... abraços...
<Yaso> bye all!
<PWinstanley_> bye
<RiccardoAlbertoni> bye .. thanks ..
<annette_g> @ericstephan are you going?
<ericstephan> Ywa
<ericstephan> yes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: antoine to work with eric S on writing section on
evolution of DUV wrt reuse of namespaces etc. [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: phila to fix bpconfig.js to restore contributors
to BP doc [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
[37] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Resolutions
1. [38]Accept https://www.w3.org/2016/01/29-dwbp-minutes
2. [39]Do not include domains and ranges on properties unless
it genuinely adds to the semantics
[End of minutes]
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