Re: locale parameters suggestions

Can't we include a link to wherever the group that made the comments have
their best practices rather than trying to include these recommendations in
our document? Makx

Op 10 aug. 2016 7:20 p.m. schreef "Bernadette Farias Lóscio" <
bfl@cin.ufpe.br>:

> Hi Annette,
>
> Yes, I agree that its gonna be complicated to add a new BP. But, I checked
> the data formats BP and I'm not sure if we can fit the locale-neutral
> formats ideas into the existing ones [1] and [2]. What do you think? Do you
> see a data format BP that is suitable for this?
>
> Another option would be to include a paragraph about locale-neutral
> formats in the introduction of Section 8.8 Data formats [3].
>
> Thanks!
> Bernadette
>
> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MachineReadableStandardizedFormat
> [2] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MultipleFormats
> [3] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats
>
> 2016-08-10 18:51 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>:
>
>> I agree that it really ought to be its own new best practice, but it
>> seems that we are past the point where we can add new ones. If we can, I
>> would support adding a new one in the formats section. If we need to fit it
>> into an existing BP, and you think it could work in with an existing
>> formats BP, maybe you could give it a try and see how well you like it? It
>> seems reasonable to me.
>>
>> -Annette
>>
>> On 8/10/16 8:48 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote:
>>
>> Hi Annette,
>>
>> Thanks for your answer! Please see more comments below.
>>
>> 2016-08-10 0:01 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>:
>>
>>> Hi Berna,
>>>
>>> Good questions!
>>>
>>> I think metadata about locale parameters is something different from
>>> locale-neutral representations. We could add a comma between them (after
>>> the closing parenthesis) to make that more clear. Or we could change
>>> "metadata about locale parameters" to "locale parameter metadata".
>>>
>> I agree!  and I like the last proposal: use locale parameter metadata.
>>
>>> I think the publisher has to do two different things, because the two
>>> are different. They have to check the metadata and see that locale
>>> parameters are there, and they also have to look at the data itself to see
>>> that locale-sensitive fields are represented in a locale-neutral format.
>>> Does that make sense?
>>>
>> Yes, it makes sense for me and I agree with you. However, I'm not
>> convinced that BP 3 is the place to talk about locale-neutral formats. IMO
>> BP3 should be about metadata rather than data. I think talking about
>> locale-neutral formats in BP3 may be confusing. Besides the test involves
>> checking the data rather than the metadata.
>>
>> Maybe, locale-neutral formats should be discussed at Section 8.8 Data
>> Formats [1]. In this case, maybe we should add a new BP "Internationalize
>> your data using locale-neutral formats". I don't like the idea of creating
>> a new BP, but I'm afraid that this is a better solution. What do you think
>> about this?
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Berna
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats
>>
>>
>>> -Annette
>>>
>>> On 8/9/16 8:58 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Annette,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I'd like to make just few questions:
>>>
>>> 1. When you say "Internationalize your data with metadata about locale
>>> parameters (date, time and number formats, language) and locale-neutral
>>> representations." it means that metadata are about locale parameters and
>>> locale-neutral representations? I understand that metadata is just about
>>> locale parameters. Is that correct? Could we say: "and use locale-neutral
>>> data representations."?
>>>
>>> 2. In the 'How to test section' of BP3 [1] we have three tests: the
>>> first two ones concern the use of locale parameters metadata and the third
>>> one is about the use of locale-neutral representations. My question is: the
>>> publisher have to do both things, i.e. to give metadata about locale
>>> parameters and use local-neutral representations, at the same time?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Berna
>>>
>>> [1] http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
>>>
>>> 2016-08-06 1:28 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a suggestion of the text for BP 3, if we were to try and add in
>>>> the information about locale-neutral formats. Besides changing the title
>>>> and subtitle, I changed the very beginning of the Why paragraph to use the
>>>> word "information" instead of "parameters". I removed the phrase suggesting
>>>> that people use CLDR to localize data, as that goes against the idea of
>>>> being locale neutral. I added a new paragraph just before EXAMPLE 3. I also
>>>> added a locale-neutral bit to the example and a test for locale neutrality.
>>>> This version also has the commit for the language tags.
>>>>
>>>> You can see the result at
>>>>
>>>> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Annette Greiner
>>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>>> Centro de Informática
>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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>>> --
>>> Annette Greiner
>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>> Centro de Informática
>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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>> --
>> Annette Greiner
>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>
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> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
> Centro de Informática
> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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