- From: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>
- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:51:03 -0700
- To: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
- Cc: DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <e2fc8b32-1f94-dcb8-2009-a4da6aca1102@lbl.gov>
I agree that it really ought to be its own new best practice, but it seems that we are past the point where we can add new ones. If we can, I would support adding a new one in the formats section. If we need to fit it into an existing BP, and you think it could work in with an existing formats BP, maybe you could give it a try and see how well you like it? It seems reasonable to me. -Annette On 8/10/16 8:48 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > Hi Annette, > > Thanks for your answer! Please see more comments below. > > 2016-08-10 0:01 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov > <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>: > > Hi Berna, > > Good questions! > > I think metadata about locale parameters is something different > from locale-neutral representations. We could add a comma between > them (after the closing parenthesis) to make that more clear. Or > we could change "metadata about locale parameters" to "locale > parameter metadata". > > I agree! and I like the last proposal: use locale parameter metadata. > > I think the publisher has to do two different things, because the > two are different. They have to check the metadata and see that > locale parameters are there, and they also have to look at the > data itself to see that locale-sensitive fields are represented in > a locale-neutral format. Does that make sense? > > Yes, it makes sense for me and I agree with you. However, I'm not > convinced that BP 3 is the place to talk about locale-neutral formats. > IMO BP3 should be about metadata rather than data. I think talking > about locale-neutral formats in BP3 may be confusing. Besides the test > involves checking the data rather than the metadata. > > Maybe, locale-neutral formats should be discussed at Section 8.8 Data > Formats [1]. In this case, maybe we should add a new BP > "Internationalize your data using locale-neutral formats". I don't > like the idea of creating a new BP, but I'm afraid that this is a > better solution. What do you think about this? > > Thanks again! > Berna > > [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats > > -Annette > > > On 8/9/16 8:58 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >> Hi Annette, >> >> Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I'd like to make just few >> questions: >> >> 1. When you say "Internationalize your data with metadata about >> locale parameters (date, time and number formats, language) and >> locale-neutral representations." it means that metadata are about >> locale parameters and locale-neutral representations? I >> understand that metadata is just about locale parameters. Is that >> correct? Could we say: "and use locale-neutral data >> representations."? >> >> 2. In the 'How to test section' of BP3 [1] we have three tests: >> the first two ones concern the use of locale parameters metadata >> and the third one is about the use of locale-neutral >> representations. My question is: the publisher have to do both >> things, i.e. to give metadata about locale parameters and use >> local-neutral representations, at the same time? >> >> cheers, >> Berna >> >> [1] >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata >> <http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata> >> >> 2016-08-06 1:28 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov >> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Here is a suggestion of the text for BP 3, if we were to try >> and add in the information about locale-neutral formats. >> Besides changing the title and subtitle, I changed the very >> beginning of the Why paragraph to use the word "information" >> instead of "parameters". I removed the phrase suggesting that >> people use CLDR to localize data, as that goes against the >> idea of being locale neutral. I added a new paragraph just >> before EXAMPLE 3. I also added a locale-neutral bit to the >> example and a test for locale neutrality. This version also >> has the commit for the language tags. >> >> You can see the result at >> >> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata >> <http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata> >> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Annette Greiner > NERSC Data and Analytics Services > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > > > > -- > Bernadette Farias Lóscio > Centro de Informática > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Annette Greiner NERSC Data and Analytics Services Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
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