- From: Caroline Burle <cburle@nic.br>
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:20:18 -0300
- To: public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
Thank you, Phila! I actually like scribing, so no problem! But I will be traveling, so I might send regrets. Kind regards, Caroline On 29/04/16 11:08, Phil Archer wrote: > The minutes of today's call are at > https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes > > Carol SHOULD NOT be scribing next week! > > Text version below. > > > Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference > > 29 Apr 2016 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160429 > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Caroline_, annette_g, antoine, phila_, ericstephan, > BernadetteLoscio, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, laufer > > Regrets > Hadley > > Chair > Dee > > Scribe > Caroline_ > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]BP Doc > 2. [6]DQV > 3. [7]DUV > * [8]Summary of Action Items > * [9]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > <phila> deirdrelee: Main focus today is all the activity that's > been going on around the BP doc > > <phila> scribe please? > > <phila> scribe: Caroline_ > > <phila> scribeNick: Caroline_ > > <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes > [10]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes > > [10] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes > > <deirdrelee> +1 > > +1 > > <ericstephan> 0 absent > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > <phila> +1 > > RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes > [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes > > [11] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes > > <antoine> 0 absent > > <newton> +1 > > BP Doc > > deirdrelee: about teh BP document > > <deirdrelee> Caroline_: thanks to everyone, there were a lot of > meetings and mail exchanges that helped the doc a lot > > [12]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered > _in_the_last_call_working_draft > > [12] > https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft > > <deirdrelee> ... regarding the table here on comments to be > considered, we started this thinking there would only be a > couple, but now it's huge > > <deirdrelee> ... we sent an email yesterday with all the > commits we did, the resolved updates in the document > > <phila> -> w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html Lastest editors' draft > > <deirdrelee> ... i don't know if you had a chance to take a > look > > <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: in the column of the table, we > have resolution/implementation > > <deirdrelee> ... some are in red because they have not been > implemented yet or have been partially resolution > > <deirdrelee> ... we made a lot of progress. for the comments we > resolved, there is a commit for each comment > > <scribe> scribe: Caroline_ > > deirdrelee: is there any big change in terms of BP being added > or removed? > > BernadetteLoscio: the biggest changes are on the data > vocabulary section > ... the 2 BPs about reuse vocabs and standardized terms were > merged > > <scribe> ... new they became BP 15 > > UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: on data preservation section Phil did a review > and changed some of the BPs > ... maybe Phila could talk about it > ... we also had changes on usage and use terms > > <BernadetteLoscio> [13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse > > [13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse > > UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we proposed with annette_g and ericstephan to > write "republication' > ... on the section [14]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse > > [14] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse > > <phila> [15]Subtitles > > [15] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eSTt3A6kTfXYTcVMt5VGDardLIk8b7FnsgENpCuNRBA/edit#gid=0 > > <phila> [16]Intended Outcomes > > [16] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0 > > UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: annette_g and phila worked on subtitles > > <gatemezi> It's the first time I see the use of the term > "republication" in a doc on reusing data > > UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we can discuss the API > ... we need some help with the BP access real time > > table: > [17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered > _in_the_last_call_working_draft items 43 and 58 > ... the BP is the one bellow > > [17] > https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft > > <BernadetteLoscio> > [18]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime > > [18] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime > > table: we had some discussions about it with annette_g > > we need some help with the approach to implementation and the > example > > scribe: to improve the approach to implementation and the > example > > <annette_g> I think we were hoping to find someone with > experience with streaming > > PWinstanley: I will take a look on the comments > ... it is the BP ericstephan and I did > ... we have loads of information on that > > <annette_g> I can help > > BernadetteLoscio: annette_g would you have time to talk about > it? > > annette_g: yes > > ericstephan: I haven't had a chance to look at those comments > yet > ... I'd like to help > > annette_g: the things we need help with was the idea of > streaming > > <ericstephan> I am working with streaming data > > annette_g: it is a point about real time data > > deirdrelee: ericstephan, PWinstanley and annette_g can discuss > that > > <annette_g> yay Eric! > > BernadetteLoscio: thank you > > <ericstephan> and time series databases that collect streaming > data (influxdb) > > <laufer> In think streaming is different from real time data > > :) > > BernadetteLoscio: about the API documentation > ... item comments bellow > > <gatemezi> Hmmm.. because you can also have real time streaming > data ... > > <BernadetteLoscio> , 45, 46 and 61 > > BernadetteLoscio: there are mainly about the examples > > <laufer> We can have a video stream... > > <BernadetteLoscio> > [19]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > [19] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > BernadetteLoscio: because the examples are related to > geospatial data > > <laufer> it is different of an array of sensor information > published in real time > > <gatemezi> I suggest to have the definition in the glossary of > the two terms > > BernadetteLoscio: there is the link for the BP > [20]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > ... about the examples > > [20] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > deirdrelee: you are looking for good examples that are not from > the geospatial domain? > > BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if we had a real example > ... we discussed that would be nice if we had an example of API > that also shows the documentation > > <laufer> [21]https://arrayofthings.github.io/ > > [21] https://arrayofthings.github.io/ > > deirdrelee: I should be able to help with that > > action for deirdrelee help with the example of BP > [22]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > [22] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register > nicknames at <[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users > > action to deirdrelee help with the example of BP > [24]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > [24] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > > <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register > nicknames at <[25]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. > > [25] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users > > <phila> ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP > [26]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > [26] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [27] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and > register nicknames at > <[28]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. > > [28] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users > > <phila> ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP > [29]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02] > > [29] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [30] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02] > > <trackbot> 'lee' is an ambiguous username. Please try a > different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., > dlee8, klee5). > > <phila> ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP > [31]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [32]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03] > > [31] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [32] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Help with the example of bp > [33]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi [on > Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-06]. > > [33] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi > > phila: this new data usa site is a visualization site , an app > that would be a good example of gatemezi point > ... it give us an example of reuse > > <phila> -> [34]DataUSA > > [34] http://datausa.io/ > > <phila> [35]DataUSA > > [35] http://datausa.io/ > > annette_g: about the API > > deirdrelee: if it is documentation about the API > > annette_g: we were thinking for both > ... if we build a API sample and check the documentation to see > how it work > > BernadetteLoscio: that would be good because we can also use > the API as an example for other BPs > > ericstephan: PWinstanley and I found that > ... we could show an example using an API collectiong real time > data > > <gatemezi> Cool that DataUSA phila > > ericstephan: I wrote a HTML form useing a DWBP example > ... I put in our repository > > <ericstephan> dwbp-realtime-example.html > > ericstephan: just to let eveyone know > > deirdrelee: I will look at that > > <laufer> maybe this could help - > [36]http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/ > > [36] http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/ > > <newton> @phila I spend some time trying to find a way of solve > that issue with the fragment urls on the dwbp-example and I did > it: > [37]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structu > ral-metadata > > [37] > http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structural-metadata > > BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if it is using the same > example we have about transports > > ericstephan: we try to build about bus crossing > ... we tried to came back to the bus scenario > > deirdrelee: BernadetteLoscio and I will take a look on that > > <ericstephan> yes that's fine > > I can take a look also :) > > <ericstephan> I just wanted you to know if helpful > > <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask if the API could be functional > > phila: do you want to have a function API? > ... it would be as simple as possible > > <ericstephan> javascript with a json object in the html > > <BernadetteLoscio> I like the idea :) > > phila: a real function API for fictional buses > > ericstephan: when we talked about it a couple of weeks back > people said that we shouldn't do something that might desapear > > <ericstephan> +1 phila > > phila: if we create a bus thing the API could be a javascript > code in the doc > > ericstephan: was +1 to phila > > newton: I like the idea of doing an API > ... I have concerns if someone is reading the document that > person could think that it is an example of doing an API > ... we just want to show that API working > ... not an example of how to do an API > > <annette_g> The data wouldn't have to really change > > <gatemezi> FYI, I really like the way at southampton here > [38]http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html, and the way > they describe catalogs and apps. Maybe could be used as > implementation of some BPs? > > [38] http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html, > > <ericstephan> @annette_g I liked your idea about swagger to > document an API > > BernadetteLoscio: if we make this clear on the text it wouldn't > be a problem > > <annette_g> I think Swagger will be the most complex part of it > > deirdrelee: I see the potential problem there > > <laufer> Maybe we can use Hydra Core Vocabulary to document the > API (A Vocabulary for Hypermedia-Driven Web APIs)... > > deirdrelee: one thing is the API and another is the > documentation > ... BP 23 or 24 show that > ... a guideline could be more of what newton was talking about > ... if we do provide an API we could point out why approaching > this way or another is good > > BernadetteLoscio: I agree > > <annette_g> we do have text about such things, but we need an > example > > BernadetteLoscio: for making an API I think we discussed that > we shouldn't give guidelines on how to build APIs > ... we should be more careful about it > > <ericstephan> that's a good point BernadetteLoscio > > BernadetteLoscio: it is about frameworks to help building API > > <gatemezi> +1 to BernadetteLoscio point > > BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice to have a real API > ... the focus should be how to access the data using an API > instead of building an API > > deirdrelee: to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the > things we discussed today > > a > > <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and > register nicknames at > <[39]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. > > [39] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users > > <ericstephan> > [40]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html > > [40] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html > > ction deirdree to enhance the examples and incorporate some of > the things we discussed today > > <deirdrelee> ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and > incorporate some of the things we discussed today [recorded in > [41]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04] > > [41] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04] > > <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdreto'. You can review and > register nicknames at > <[42]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. > > [42] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users > > <phila> ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate > some of the things we discussed today [recorded in > [43]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05] > > [43] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Enhance the examples and > incorporate some of the things we discussed today [on Deirdre > Lee - due 2016-05-06]. > > BernadetteLoscio: about the intended outcomes > > <BernadetteLoscio> > [44]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata > > [44] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata > > [45]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQd > K0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0 > > [45] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0 > > phila: my motivations to write that way was that we agreed that > we wouldn't use "machine should be this" > ... no should or must added > > annette_g: I wasn't sure if we should start with "that" or "to" > > phila: the subject of the sentenced is the intended outcome > > <gatemezi> I was wondering why the links of the BPs do not > deref to the specific part in the doc...Is it a browser issue > or just me having this "small issue"? > > annette_g: just writing it in future tense might solve it > ... some of them are already in future tense > > BernadetteLoscio: before we sent a message that we were using > the future > ... we had comments saying that should be in the present > > <phila> Current To enable data consumers to know that data that > is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only > available under different conditions. > > <ericstephan> back to the future? > > phila: let's take this example > ... changing that to: > > <phila> Consumers will know that data that is referred to from > the current dataset is unavailable or only available under > different conditions. > > <ericstephan> Just be consistent imo > > BernadetteLoscio: if you don't mind you may change > > phila: I will do it > > action phila to change all the phrases of intedend outcomes to > present. E.g. Consumers will know that data that is referred to > from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under > different conditions. > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - Change all the phrases of > intedend outcomes to present. e.g. consumers will know that > data that is referred to from the current dataset is > unavailable or only available under different conditions. [on > Phil Archer - due 2016-05-06]. > > BernadetteLoscio: we still have the BPs about feedback and up > to date access, which we will work with annette_g > ... it was a great team work this week > ... we are really happy. Thank you everybody for the > contributions! > > <annette_g> Eds are really great, too! > > <gatemezi> Yes, great Eds! > > <phila> We're very close to a documetn freeze > > BernadetteLoscio: we will try to finish everything and as soon > we finish this I we will freeze the document > ... so the WG participants can review the changes > > <phila> Time is very tight > > BernadetteLoscio: in the beggining of next week we might finish > it > > deirdrelee: I will try to get back on Tuesday > > BernadetteLoscio: as soon as we finish it we will let the group > know > ... it is important to keep in mind that we shouldn't do big > changes after Monday > ... if anyone has a big change to make, please do it before > Monday > ... you can go to the commit that is on the table > [46]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered > _in_the_last_call_working_draft and see the changes > > [46] > https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft > > DQV > > <riccardoAlbertoni> > [47]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html > > [47] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html > > deirdrelee: antoine and riccardoAlbertoni could you give us an > update? > > <antoine> > [48]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule > > [48] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule > > antoine: we are working on the vocabs > ... check the link > [49]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule > > [49] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule > > <antoine> [50]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2 > > [50] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2 > > antoine: the link above has the open issues and actions > ... this week we closed some of them > ... ther are some open issues > ... we are ready to work on them before the next working draft > pubilcation > > deirdrelee: you prefer to release the next working draft and > then the final one? > > antoine: yes > ... when it is ready to last call we are willing to publish as > a working draft > > riccardoAlbertoni: we ask the group to guve us feedback about > the document > ... about editorial things and the way we are editing it > > deirdrelee: it is good to dedicate complete meeting on that as > all > > <phila> phila: Just to say thank you to Antoine and Riccardo > for all their continuing work. The WG should indeed give the > work some proper attention. > > deirdrelee: we can dedicate a complete Friday to DWV and DUV > > phila: thank you both of you > > deirdrelee: we will have to vote to publish it as a final > working note > ... we need to be aware of what has been made > ... is our responsability to keep up with it as well > > <ericstephan> [51]https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016 > > [51] https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016 > > ericstephan: I did go to the force11 conference last week > > <ericstephan> > [52]https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_ > pdf/3179935 > > [52] > https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_pdf/3179935 > > DUV > > ericstephan: I had a conversation with ?? > > <ericstephan> [53]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ > > [53] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ > > ericstephan: it is a very interesting network in terms of > metadata this [54]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ > ... there are good contributions to be made > > [54] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ > > <phila> One of the key people in that CG as well as Peter M-R > is Robin Berjon, until recently the HTML editor > > ericstephan: they are not using SPARQL, they are using JSON-LD > > <ericstephan> Compliance to Best Practices Metadata #1, #2, #4, > Data Licensing #5 Identifiers #10, #12, Vocabularies #15, #16 > > ericstephan: I do want to have that on the data usage vocab > ... maybe we can have on both vocabs > ... some of the editing comments BernadetteLoscio provided we > are working on that > > deirdrelee: between now and the final working note you will put > out another working draft? > > ericstephan: yes > > deirdrelee: now to 3 weeks we can freeze and vote > > <phila> So we're looking at big voting session on 20 May? > > deirdrelee: then we can move on to the final working note > > <ericstephan> When can the DUV have Berna back? :-) > > <annette_g> A truly impressive portion of that big table has > been resolved. > > deirdrelee: by next week we try to freeze and see how it goes > > <BernadetteLoscio> soon Eric ;) > > <ericstephan> great :-) > > yes, annette_g! :) thank you so much for all you help! > > phila: I agree but May 20 is already late in our schedule > > <BernadetteLoscio> Annette, and they are implemented already ;) > > phila: I think May 20 is the latest we have > > <ericstephan> Caroline_ I meant to say that SPAR ontologies not > sparql > > <annette_g> bye all! > > deirdrelee: talk to you all next week > > <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks .. bye > > <laufer> bye... nice... > > thank you ericstephan for this correction :) > > <gatemezi> Ciao! > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate > some of the things we discussed today [recorded in > [55]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05] > [NEW] ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP > [56]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [57]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03] > [NEW] ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP > [58]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [59]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > [NEW] ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and incorporate > some of the things we discussed today [recorded in > [60]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04] > [NEW] ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP > [61]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded > in [62]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02] > > [55] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05 > [56] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [57] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03 > [58] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [59] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01 > [60] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04 > [61] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI > [62] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02 > > Summary of Resolutions > > 1. [63]Accept last week's minutes > https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ >
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