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[Minutes] 2016-04-29

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:08:59 +0100
To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
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The minutes of today's call are at 
https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes

Carol SHOULD NOT be scribing next week!

Text version below.


       Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

29 Apr 2016

    [2]Agenda

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160429

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Caroline_, annette_g, antoine, phila_, ericstephan,
           BernadetteLoscio, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, laufer

    Regrets
           Hadley

    Chair
           Dee

    Scribe
           Caroline_

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]BP Doc
          2. [6]DQV
          3. [7]DUV
      * [8]Summary of Action Items
      * [9]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    <phila> deirdrelee: Main focus today is all the activity that's
    been going on around the BP doc

    <phila> scribe please?

    <phila> scribe: Caroline_

    <phila> scribeNick: Caroline_

    <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
    [10]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes

      [10] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes

    <deirdrelee> +1

    +1

    <ericstephan> 0 absent

    <BernadetteLoscio> +1

    <annette_g> +1

    <phila> +1

    RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
    [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes

      [11] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes

    <antoine> 0 absent

    <newton> +1

BP Doc

    deirdrelee: about teh BP document

    <deirdrelee> Caroline_: thanks to everyone, there were a lot of
    meetings and mail exchanges that helped the doc a lot

    [12]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
    _in_the_last_call_working_draft

      [12] 
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft

    <deirdrelee> ... regarding the table here on comments to be
    considered, we started this thinking there would only be a
    couple, but now it's huge

    <deirdrelee> ... we sent an email yesterday with all the
    commits we did, the resolved updates in the document

    <phila> -> w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html Lastest editors' draft

    <deirdrelee> ... i don't know if you had a chance to take a
    look

    <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: in the column of the table, we
    have resolution/implementation

    <deirdrelee> ... some are in red because they have not been
    implemented yet or have been partially resolution

    <deirdrelee> ... we made a lot of progress. for the comments we
    resolved, there is a commit for each comment

    <scribe> scribe: Caroline_

    deirdrelee: is there any big change in terms of BP being added
    or removed?

    BernadetteLoscio: the biggest changes are on the data
    vocabulary section
    ... the 2 BPs about reuse vocabs and standardized terms were
    merged

    <scribe> ... new they became BP 15

    UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: on data preservation section Phil did a review
    and changed some of the BPs
    ... maybe Phila could talk about it
    ... we also had changes on usage and use terms

    <BernadetteLoscio> [13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse

      [13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse

    UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we proposed with annette_g and ericstephan to
    write "republication'
    ... on the section [14]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse

      [14] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse

    <phila> [15]Subtitles

      [15] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eSTt3A6kTfXYTcVMt5VGDardLIk8b7FnsgENpCuNRBA/edit#gid=0

    <phila> [16]Intended Outcomes

      [16] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0

    UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: annette_g and phila worked on subtitles

    <gatemezi> It's the first time I see the use of the term
    "republication" in a doc on reusing data

    UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we can discuss the API
    ... we need some help with the BP access real time

    table:
    [17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
    _in_the_last_call_working_draft items 43 and 58
    ... the BP is the one bellow

      [17] 
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft

    <BernadetteLoscio>
    [18]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime

      [18] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime

    table: we had some discussions about it with annette_g

    we need some help with the approach to implementation and the
    example

    scribe: to improve the approach to implementation and the
    example

    <annette_g> I think we were hoping to find someone with
    experience with streaming

    PWinstanley: I will take a look on the comments
    ... it is the BP ericstephan and I did
    ... we have loads of information on that

    <annette_g> I can help

    BernadetteLoscio: annette_g would you have time to talk about
    it?

    annette_g: yes

    ericstephan: I haven't had a chance to look at those comments
    yet
    ... I'd like to help

    annette_g: the things we need help with was the idea of
    streaming

    <ericstephan> I am working with streaming data

    annette_g: it is a point about real time data

    deirdrelee: ericstephan, PWinstanley and annette_g can discuss
    that

    <annette_g> yay Eric!

    BernadetteLoscio: thank you

    <ericstephan> and time series databases that collect streaming
    data (influxdb)

    <laufer> In think streaming is different from real time data

    :)

    BernadetteLoscio: about the API documentation
    ... item comments bellow

    <gatemezi> Hmmm.. because you can also have real time streaming
    data ...

    <BernadetteLoscio> , 45, 46 and 61

    BernadetteLoscio: there are mainly about the examples

    <laufer> We can have a video stream...

    <BernadetteLoscio>
    [19]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

      [19] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

    BernadetteLoscio: because the examples are related to
    geospatial data

    <laufer> it is different of an array of sensor information
    published in real time

    <gatemezi> I suggest to have the definition in the glossary of
    the two terms

    BernadetteLoscio: there is the link for the BP
    [20]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
    ... about the examples

      [20] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

    deirdrelee: you are looking for good examples that are not from
    the geospatial domain?

    BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if we had a real example
    ... we discussed that would be nice if we had an example of API
    that also shows the documentation

    <laufer> [21]https://arrayofthings.github.io/

      [21] https://arrayofthings.github.io/

    deirdrelee: I should be able to help with that

    action for deirdrelee help with the example of BP
    [22]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

      [22] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

    <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register
    nicknames at <[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

      [23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users

    action to deirdrelee help with the example of BP
    [24]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

      [24] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI

    <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register
    nicknames at <[25]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

      [25] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users

    <phila> ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP
    [26]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]

      [26] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [27] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and
    register nicknames at
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      [28] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users

    <phila> ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP
    [29]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

      [29] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [30] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> 'lee' is an ambiguous username. Please try a
    different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g.,
    dlee8, klee5).

    <phila> ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP
    [31]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [32]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]

      [31] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [32] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Help with the example of bp
    [33]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi [on
    Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-06].

      [33] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi

    phila: this new data usa site is a visualization site , an app
    that would be a good example of gatemezi point
    ... it give us an example of reuse

    <phila> -> [34]DataUSA

      [34] http://datausa.io/

    <phila> [35]DataUSA

      [35] http://datausa.io/

    annette_g: about the API

    deirdrelee: if it is documentation about the API

    annette_g: we were thinking for both
    ... if we build a API sample and check the documentation to see
    how it work

    BernadetteLoscio: that would be good because we can also use
    the API as an example for other BPs

    ericstephan: PWinstanley and I found that
    ... we could show an example using an API collectiong real time
    data

    <gatemezi> Cool that DataUSA phila

    ericstephan: I wrote a HTML form useing a DWBP example
    ... I put in our repository

    <ericstephan> dwbp-realtime-example.html

    ericstephan: just to let eveyone know

    deirdrelee: I will look at that

    <laufer> maybe this could help -
    [36]http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/

      [36] http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/

    <newton> @phila I spend some time trying to find a way of solve
    that issue with the fragment urls on the dwbp-example and I did
    it:
    [37]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structu
    ral-metadata

      [37] 
http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structural-metadata

    BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if it is using the same
    example we have about transports

    ericstephan: we try to build about bus crossing
    ... we tried to came back to the bus scenario

    deirdrelee: BernadetteLoscio and I will take a look on that

    <ericstephan> yes that's fine

    I can take a look also :)

    <ericstephan> I just wanted you to know if helpful

    <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask if the API could be functional

    phila: do you want to have a function API?
    ... it would be as simple as possible

    <ericstephan> javascript with a json object in the html

    <BernadetteLoscio> I like the idea :)

    phila: a real function API for fictional buses

    ericstephan: when we talked about it a couple of weeks back
    people said that we shouldn't do something that might desapear

    <ericstephan> +1 phila

    phila: if we create a bus thing the API could be a javascript
    code in the doc

    ericstephan: was +1 to phila

    newton: I like the idea of doing an API
    ... I have concerns if someone is reading the document that
    person could think that it is an example of doing an API
    ... we just want to show that API working
    ... not an example of how to do an API

    <annette_g> The data wouldn't have to really change

    <gatemezi> FYI, I really like the way at southampton here
    [38]http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html, and the way
    they describe catalogs and apps. Maybe could be used as
    implementation of some BPs?

      [38] http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html,

    <ericstephan> @annette_g I liked your idea about swagger to
    document an API

    BernadetteLoscio: if we make this clear on the text it wouldn't
    be a problem

    <annette_g> I think Swagger will be the most complex part of it

    deirdrelee: I see the potential problem there

    <laufer> Maybe we can use Hydra Core Vocabulary to document the
    API (A Vocabulary for Hypermedia-Driven Web APIs)...

    deirdrelee: one thing is the API and another is the
    documentation
    ... BP 23 or 24 show that
    ... a guideline could be more of what newton was talking about
    ... if we do provide an API we could point out why approaching
    this way or another is good

    BernadetteLoscio: I agree

    <annette_g> we do have text about such things, but we need an
    example

    BernadetteLoscio: for making an API I think we discussed that
    we shouldn't give guidelines on how to build APIs
    ... we should be more careful about it

    <ericstephan> that's a good point BernadetteLoscio

    BernadetteLoscio: it is about frameworks to help building API

    <gatemezi> +1 to BernadetteLoscio point

    BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice to have a real API
    ... the focus should be how to access the data using an API
    instead of building an API

    deirdrelee: to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the
    things we discussed today

    a

    <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and
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    <ericstephan>
    [40]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html

      [40] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html

    ction deirdree to enhance the examples and incorporate some of
    the things we discussed today

    <deirdrelee> ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and
    incorporate some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
    [41]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]

      [41] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdreto'. You can review and
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    <phila> ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate
    some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
    [43]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]

      [43] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Enhance the examples and
    incorporate some of the things we discussed today [on Deirdre
    Lee - due 2016-05-06].

    BernadetteLoscio: about the intended outcomes

    <BernadetteLoscio>
    [44]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata

      [44] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata

    [45]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQd
    K0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0

      [45] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0

    phila: my motivations to write that way was that we agreed that
    we wouldn't use "machine should be this"
    ... no should or must added

    annette_g: I wasn't sure if we should start with "that" or "to"

    phila: the subject of the sentenced is the intended outcome

    <gatemezi> I was wondering why the links of the BPs do not
    deref to the specific part in the doc...Is it a browser issue
    or just me having this "small issue"?

    annette_g: just writing it in future tense might solve it
    ... some of them are already in future tense

    BernadetteLoscio: before we sent a message that we were using
    the future
    ... we had comments saying that should be in the present

    <phila> Current To enable data consumers to know that data that
    is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only
    available under different conditions.

    <ericstephan> back to the future?

    phila: let's take this example
    ... changing that to:

    <phila> Consumers will know that data that is referred to from
    the current dataset is unavailable or only available under
    different conditions.

    <ericstephan> Just be consistent imo

    BernadetteLoscio: if you don't mind you may change

    phila: I will do it

    action phila to change all the phrases of intedend outcomes to
    present. E.g. Consumers will know that data that is referred to
    from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under
    different conditions.

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - Change all the phrases of
    intedend outcomes to present. e.g. consumers will know that
    data that is referred to from the current dataset is
    unavailable or only available under different conditions. [on
    Phil Archer - due 2016-05-06].

    BernadetteLoscio: we still have the BPs about feedback and up
    to date access, which we will work with annette_g
    ... it was a great team work this week
    ... we are really happy. Thank you everybody for the
    contributions!

    <annette_g> Eds are really great, too!

    <gatemezi> Yes, great Eds!

    <phila> We're very close to a documetn freeze

    BernadetteLoscio: we will try to finish everything and as soon
    we finish this I we will freeze the document
    ... so the WG participants can review the changes

    <phila> Time is very tight

    BernadetteLoscio: in the beggining of next week we might finish
    it

    deirdrelee: I will try to get back on Tuesday

    BernadetteLoscio: as soon as we finish it we will let the group
    know
    ... it is important to keep in mind that we shouldn't do big
    changes after Monday
    ... if anyone has a big change to make, please do it before
    Monday
    ... you can go to the commit that is on the table
    [46]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
    _in_the_last_call_working_draft and see the changes

      [46] 
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft

DQV

    <riccardoAlbertoni>
    [47]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

      [47] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

    deirdrelee: antoine and riccardoAlbertoni could you give us an
    update?

    <antoine>
    [48]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule

      [48] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule

    antoine: we are working on the vocabs
    ... check the link
    [49]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule

      [49] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule

    <antoine> [50]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2

      [50] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2

    antoine: the link above has the open issues and actions
    ... this week we closed some of them
    ... ther are some open issues
    ... we are ready to work on them before the next working draft
    pubilcation

    deirdrelee: you prefer to release the next working draft and
    then the final one?

    antoine: yes
    ... when it is ready to last call we are willing to publish as
    a working draft

    riccardoAlbertoni: we ask the group to guve us feedback about
    the document
    ... about editorial things and the way we are editing it

    deirdrelee: it is good to dedicate complete meeting on that as
    all

    <phila> phila: Just to say thank you to Antoine and Riccardo
    for all their continuing work. The WG should indeed give the
    work some proper attention.

    deirdrelee: we can dedicate a complete Friday to DWV and DUV

    phila: thank you both of you

    deirdrelee: we will have to vote to publish it as a final
    working note
    ... we need to be aware of what has been made
    ... is our responsability to keep up with it as well

    <ericstephan> [51]https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016

      [51] https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016

    ericstephan: I did go to the force11 conference last week

    <ericstephan>
    [52]https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_
    pdf/3179935

      [52] 
https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_pdf/3179935

DUV

    ericstephan: I had a conversation with ??

    <ericstephan> [53]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/

      [53] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/

    ericstephan: it is a very interesting network in terms of
    metadata this [54]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
    ... there are good contributions to be made

      [54] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/

    <phila> One of the key people in that CG as well as Peter M-R
    is Robin Berjon, until recently the HTML editor

    ericstephan: they are not using SPARQL, they are using JSON-LD

    <ericstephan> Compliance to Best Practices Metadata #1, #2, #4,
    Data Licensing #5 Identifiers #10, #12, Vocabularies #15, #16

    ericstephan: I do want to have that on the data usage vocab
    ... maybe we can have on both vocabs
    ... some of the editing comments BernadetteLoscio provided we
    are working on that

    deirdrelee: between now and the final working note you will put
    out another working draft?

    ericstephan: yes

    deirdrelee: now to 3 weeks we can freeze and vote

    <phila> So we're looking at big voting session on 20 May?

    deirdrelee: then we can move on to the final working note

    <ericstephan> When can the DUV have Berna back? :-)

    <annette_g> A truly impressive portion of that big table has
    been resolved.

    deirdrelee: by next week we try to freeze and see how it goes

    <BernadetteLoscio> soon Eric ;)

    <ericstephan> great :-)

    yes, annette_g! :) thank you so much for all you help!

    phila: I agree but May 20 is already late in our schedule

    <BernadetteLoscio> Annette, and they are implemented already ;)

    phila: I think May 20 is the latest we have

    <ericstephan> Caroline_ I meant to say that SPAR ontologies not
    sparql

    <annette_g> bye all!

    deirdrelee: talk to you all next week

    <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks .. bye

    <laufer> bye... nice...

    thank you ericstephan for this correction :)

    <gatemezi> Ciao!

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate
    some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
    [55]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]
    [NEW] ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP
    [56]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [57]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP
    [58]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [59]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and incorporate
    some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
    [60]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP
    [61]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
    in [62]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

      [55] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05
      [56] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [57] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03
      [58] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [59] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
      [60] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04
      [61] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
      [62] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [63]Accept last week's minutes
        https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes

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