- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:28:02 +0100
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-minutes
Next week we'll be voting on publications, so please take time this week
to review all the docs - the BP doc will be frozen at the end of today.
Minutes in text form below...
DWBP Weekly
08 Apr 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160408
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
PWinstanley, hadleybeeman, newton, BernadetteLoscio,
Caroline, phila, yaso, riccardoAlbertoni, annette_g,
antoine, ericstephan, laufer, SumitPurohit
Regrets
Ghislain, Dee
Chair
Hadley
Scribe
annette_g
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]BP doc
2. [6]Data Quality vocab
3. [7]DUV
* [8]Summary of Action Items
* [9]Summary of Resolutions
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<hadleybeeman> agenda:
[10]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160408
[10] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160408
<scribe> scribe: annette_g
<hadleybeeman> [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/01-dwbp-minutes
[11] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/01-dwbp-minutes
<ericstephan> sorry time got away from me, calling in shortly
PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes.
<yaso> +1
<hadleybeeman> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
+1, given that Phil fixes the date
<ericstephan> +1
<phila> +1
<newton> _1
RESOLUTION: accept last week's minutes.
<newton> +1
<Caroline> +1
hadleybeeman: 30 seconds of update on the BP doc
BernadetteLoscio: it's almost ready!
BP doc
<phila> [12]Ed Draft of BP
[12] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
BernadetteLoscio: we're finishing some more updates, can finish
during the day today and freeze at the end of today
hadleybeeman: please send a message out when it's time to start
reviewing
BernadetteLoscio: we want comments during the week. We'll wait
to update the doc.
... also, we need some help
... with examples, the structural metadata example in
particular. Can Phil help?
phila: I'll ask people who are more connected with the csv
work, but I will try.
<ericstephan> yes Gregg would be great
BernadetteLoscio: If it's not possible, we'll freeze like this.
phila: I'll ask Greg Kellogg
... or someone from the CSV group
BernadetteLoscio: is it okay to freeze later today?
hadleybeeman: yes
BernadetteLoscio: we made some editorial changes on intended
outcomes of some best practices, so I want feedback about that.
... we are trying to have a standard way of presenting the
outcomes. So if something isn't correct, please tell us
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about native speaker bits
PWinstanley: had a question about policy of content. Is it a
good idea to link to live example? One example is the API
stuff.
hadleybeeman: we should copy stuff into our doc if we can
PWinstanley: would like to change the API documentation
<ericstephan> We could find a Citation to a paper written on
the Flood project
phila: I want to do a native speaker review on the doc
... is it okay to do that while it's frozen?
forking -1
hadleybeeman: my inclination is to do it in parallel but add
them at the end with all other changes
BernadetteLoscio: the editors think it's okay, Phil can choose
<ericstephan> Is this editorial "fracking"? ;-)
phila: I wouldn't do a merge
hadleybeeman: it sounds to me like that should go with the
other changes
<ericstephan> sorry its something being done in the US where
people search for oil underground and create havoc for those
living above ground
annette_g: my experience as an editor screams "don't fork it"
newton: would someone help with validating the RDF in the doc?
phila: I'll do that as part of my review
<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks!!
hadleybeeman: congrats to the editors for doing a fantastic
job!
<phila> PROPOSED: Vote of thanks to the BP doc editors for
doing so much work
<riccardoAlbertoni> to the editor of bp
<phila> +1
+1
<yaso> +1
<ericstephan> ++++1
Data Quality vocab
<newton> :-)
<riccardoAlbertoni>
[13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
[13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
RESOLUTION: Vote of thanks to the BP doc editors for doing so
much work
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
riccardoAlbertoni: we've had some great input, but still have
to do some work. Given that the BP doc is where it is, we're
thinking about how to schedule the DQV. we could consider
another round of feedback or try to take advantage of the 3
weeks in which we're waiting for comments on the BP doc.
... I'd like to hear the opinion of the group. From the point
of view of transparency, adding a new working draft is a good
option, but I'm worried that if we add new comments that will
distract us from ongoing edits.
@hadleybeeman help never hurts, but yes
riccardoAlbertoni: I'd like to know the group's preference.
antoine: I think I"m okay getting feedback. We're already
aiming in that direction.
riccardoAlbertoni: but should we do that with a new draft or
not?
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to be the ex-advertising bloke
phila: we're heading towards a date when we'll be saying the BP
doc is done unless you think otherwise (last call).
<ericstephan> and in conclusion e=mc squared..
phila: it's a nice PR message
<phila> I'm saying we should get feedback on all docs together
<ericstephan> :-)
<Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask about implementations
<ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman
hadleybeeman: the vocabs are not rec track, but we do get a lot
of credibility by demonstrating that it's not stuff we just
made up by ourselves. It would be good for the vocabs to go out
to the general public and help us build up our documentation to
justify the decisions we're making.
ericstephan: I understand the need to say we've completed these
activities, but the data modeler in me says that vocabs will
continue to change because they always do. How do we deal with
that in the future?
<ericstephan> oh no
phila: one the WG is closed, the team is responsible for
maintenance.
<ericstephan> nice
<ericstephan> regarding content negociation by profile
phila: the next working group will be doing an update of DCAT,
will look at content negotiation by profile, could potentially
also come back to the DQV and DUV to put them on the rec
track..
<BernadetteLoscio> great :)
hadleybeeman: there's a certain amount of stability that we
need to emphasis by completing a version of this (or anything).
Industry or developers need to be able to focus on something
stable for a length of time.
ericstephan: one of the things we found in the DUV is that
there are holes in DCAT, so I"m very excited about the revision
of DCAT. The DUV could in some ways update based on what DCAT
does.
hadleybeeman: back to riccardoAlbertoni's question. Should they
get feedback in parallel with the BP doc or use the time to
write?
riccardoAlbertoni: would the doc continue to be a public
working draft?
hadleybeeman: yes, until it becomes a note
antoine: I'm leaning toward making a public working draft
riccardoAlbertoni: that means we have to finish up some things.
Is that okay for you, antoine?
antoine: we can put in some notes marking things as unfinished
and asking for feedback
hadleybeeman: in order to publish next week, we still need to
get the working group to vote, which means we have to be okay
that it's not finishted.
<phila> Yes, there is more time for changes for the vocabs than
for the BP doc
hadleybeeman: I don't want people to be saying we should not
publish because they still want to make changes. there will
still be plenty of time for changes afterward.
... are you guys okay with that
antoine: yes
hadleybeeman: DUV update?
DUV
<ericstephan> [14]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
[14] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
<ericstephan>
[15]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule
[15] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule
ericstephan: the DUV right now has been making some slight
changes in some of the examples (more elaborate, aligned with
the bus timetable example), we tried to link in from the
vocabulary overview section. We're trying to put things into
some sort of a final state. There was a request for a schedule.
<ericstephan> [16]https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016
[16] https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016
ericstephan: BernadetteLoscio provided some editorial changes,
so we pushed things out to April 10. Also coming up this week
is that I'm going to be going to a Force 11 conference where
we'll present a poster on the DUV. We hope to get community
feedback there.
... any questions?
phila: thank you eric for getting into the Force11 event. Have
you created the poster, can we get some images of it and you in
Portland?
ericstephan: yes, I'll be happy to do that
... I was asked to participate in a debate about good open
standards practices. I want to refer to our best practices doc.
... I've reached out to some communities about how you measure
citations. If you reference a paper, what is the value of that?
There should be some interesting nuances in data usage that I
can come back with.
<phila> Thank you Eric
<ericstephan>
[17]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#conclusion
[17] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#conclusion
ericstephan: one last thing: this may be a bit controversial, I
put a conclusion in. It brings up future work. I don't know if
this is protocol.
... I don't know what's normal for that, but these are our
desires for where this work could go.
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about [vocab-dcat] and
normative/nn in vocabs
<ericstephan> I am all ears
phila: It's difficult.
... I struggle with putting this in a document like this. I
think this belongs more in a blog post or group page. I'll
think about it some more. I recognize that that's how it's done
when you publish scientific research.
ericstephan: I love the idea of if it's on our web site.
<ericstephan> understood :-)
phila: we have to think about what the frozen group web page
looks like when we finish up.
<ericstephan> interesting, ok no normative
phila: becaues it's a note, nothing is normative, so it's not
appropriate to talk about normative /non-normative
<ericstephan> thank you phila!
<phila> I believe the reference for DCAT is vocab-dcat
<ericstephan> thank you hadleybeeman!
hadleybeeman: it's really useful to be able to go back and see
what we wanted to do next, so it will be good to capture that
somewhere useful.
... let's look at actions
<phila> We have a process for translations
<phila> Labels etc in the RDF file can be added reaily enough
ericstephan: there is one thing in the schedule I want to
mention. Those of us a the national labs have a lot of
connection to people who speak different languages. we'd like
to get as many different languages into the DUV as possile.
Japanese, mandarin, russian, spanish, portuguese, all would be
good to cover.
<hadleybeeman> [18]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/
[18] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/
phila: docs in /tr space link to translations. we normally run
things past a translator person. DCAT has labels in a bunch of
languages all in one document, which is pure pornography if
you're a UTF person.
<phila> action-208?
<trackbot> action-208 -- Antoine Isaac to Contact oa wg to see
whether they would consider adding dqv motivation -- due
2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208
[19] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208
hadleybeeman: is that still open?
antoine: yes, that continues
action-210
<trackbot> action-210 -- Eric Stephan to Investigate the
relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be
considered as a quality annotation -- due 2016-04-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
[20] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
<phila> action-210?
<trackbot> action-210 -- Eric Stephan to Investigate the
relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be
considered as a quality annotation -- due 2016-04-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
[21] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
hadleybeeman: is that still open, Eric?
<phila> action-226
<trackbot> action-226 -- Newton Calegari to To move the indexes
and keep the BP Summary at the top of the doc -- due 2016-02-12
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/226
[22] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/226
ericstephan: yes
hadleybeeman: newton, what's the status?
newton: we can close this one
<phila> close action-226
<trackbot> Closed action-226.
phila: done!
<phila> action-227?
<trackbot> action-227 -- Antoine Isaac to Work with eric s on
writing section on evolution of duv wrt reuse of namespaces
etc. -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227
[23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227
hadleybeeman: is it open still?
antoine: yes
<phila> action-229
<trackbot> action-229 -- Phil Archer to Send bp editors
implementation-questionaire template -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
[24] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
phila: that has come screaming up my todo list
<phila> phila: Expect it next week
<hadleybeeman> action-230?
<trackbot> action-230 -- Caroline Burle to Create process for
gathering evidence of implementations, e.g. wiki, google form
-- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/230
[25] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/230
Caroline: this is something we discussed in zagreb, we can
close it
<hadleybeeman> action-231?
<trackbot> action-231 -- Annette Greiner to Talk to eric wilde
about open comments and reach resolution -- due 2016-02-19 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231
[26] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231
<hadleybeeman> annette_g: I spoke to him. We weren't able to
resolve it. He had concerns we hadn't addressed.
<hadleybeeman> ...We have addressed it since then. There have
been several attempts to get his response, but he has hasn't
replied.
phila: he responded today
<phila> I just forwarded Erik's mail to the list in case it
didn't make it
<hadleybeeman> action-232?
<trackbot> action-232 -- Antoine Isaac to Look into reference
to ogc in
[27]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadatastandardized
(raised during joint call with sdw) -- due 2016-02-24 --
PENDINGREVIEW
[27] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadatastandardized
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/232
[28] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/232
hadleybeeman: sounds like that's still open
antoine: I think that's been sent to SDW, and I haven't heard
anything, so I think we can close it.
hadleybeeman: should we follow up with them?
antoine: if someone else wants to do that, they can do that
... if there's a new version, hopefully they will get in touch.
<phila> +1 to hadleybeeman
hadleybeeman: we should ask them to make sure they do review
it.
action-233
<trackbot> action-233 -- Newton Calegari to Check if the turtle
and rdfa examples are validated -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233
[29] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233
<phila> close action-237
<trackbot> Closed action-237.
hadleybeeman: you were asking for help on that
<phila> See previous about getting SDW review
<phila> I don't think it's needed as SDW is watching us anywat
<BernadetteLoscio> I think so!
<BernadetteLoscio> We had a lot of discussions about this
<BernadetteLoscio> yes, I agree!
action-239
<trackbot> action-239 -- Peter Winstanley to Check on using an
example about real-time data for bp23 -- due 2016-03-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239
[30] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239
<phila> close action-232
<trackbot> Closed action-232.
<BernadetteLoscio> Eric sent a first version and we included in
the doc!
PWinstanley: that's what eric and I were working on just
recently, we're likely to have something very soon
<phila> action-241
<trackbot> action-241 -- Hadley Beeman to Review bp 22 -- due
2016-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/241
[31] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/241
hadleybeeman: Phil and I did that last week
<phila> close action-241
<trackbot> Closed action-241.
action-242
<trackbot> action-242 -- Newton Calegari to Follow up on issue
220 -- due 2016-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/242
[32] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/242
newton: we can close that
action-243
<trackbot> action-243 -- Caroline Burle to Arrange redseign of
the challenges diagram -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/243
[33] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/243
<phila> close action-242
<trackbot> Closed action-242.
Caroline: it's still open because we need help with it
<phila> phila: I think that's on my plate
hadleybeeman: what do you need?
<phila> SVG
<BernadetteLoscio> yes! SVG :)
<phila> I like playing with SVG :-)
<yaso> I can help, depending on the schedule
<yaso> I like svg too
Caroline: we discussed in zagreb, phila said he might help us,
but he already has this huge job of the native speaker review.
hadleybeeman: phila, I can help with the native speaker review
PWinstanley: I can help with it too
Caroline: you guys rock
<Caroline> thank you! :)
hadleybeeman: let's have PWinstanley look at both of our
sections
<phila> close action-243
<trackbot> Closed action-243.
<phila> ACTION: phila to redo the challenges diagram [recorded
in [34]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-272 - Redo the challenges diagram [on
Phil Archer - due 2016-04-15].
action-244
<trackbot> action-244 -- Newton Calegari to Remove the 2nd line
of test section and rewrite the intended outcome of the bp2
provide descriptive metadata -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/244
[35] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/244
<phila> action-244?
<trackbot> action-244 -- Newton Calegari to Remove the 2nd line
of test section and rewrite the intended outcome of the bp2
provide descriptive metadata -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/244
[36] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/244
newton: we can close this
<phila> close action-244
<trackbot> Closed action-244.
<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all ...
<laufer> bye all... nice wkd...
<Caroline> thank you!!
<ericstephan> Will the phone line be open for a few minutes?
<riccardoAlbertoni> bye
<yaso> Bye!
hadleybeeman: we should close the call at this point.
Eveyrbody's homework is to review the BP doc.
<SumitPurohit> Thanks...
<hadleybeeman> Next week: Vote to publish new draft of BP doc
and DQV.
<ericstephan>
[37]https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-primer-20130430/#deriv
ation-and-revision-1
[37]
https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-primer-20130430/#derivation-and-revision-1
<BernadetteLoscio>
[38]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/252
[38] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/252
<phila> [39]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HATEOAS
[39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HATEOAS
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: phila to redo the challenges diagram [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/08-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [41]accept last week's minutes.
2. [42]Vote of thanks to the BP doc editors for doing so much
work
[End of minutes]
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