- From: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 07:58:40 -0400
- To: "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, "DWBP Public List" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Cc: Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, "Andrew Hoppin" <andrew@nucivic.com>, "Kevin Merritt" <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, "Diego May Junar" <diego.may@junar.com>
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Jose, I don't think we need to organize more sessions at conferences to figure out how to measure OD utilization. Might be easier to just talk to Socrata, Junar, NuCivic, and CKAN folks to organize common utilization metrics. I am adding my W3C Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group colleagues to this discussion since standardizing that metadata is within our mandate and we are working on Data Quality and Usability Vocabularies. Also adding Kevin Merrit (Socrata), Diego May (Junar), and Andrew Hoppin (NuCivic). I guess there are people already on copy who can represent CKAN. Kevin, Diego, Andrew - We are having a conversation about how to measure aggregate Open Data utilization and we wonder if it would be possible to agree on common metadata standards that would allow API calls to your OD catalogs. We would like to be able to add OD utilization and quality statistics to common OD Supply Indexes. Sorry to dump you all into this long thread. But it seems to me that right now, while our industry is relatively small, we have the opportunity to agree on common standards that could really benefit many interests. Could we ask you for your views on this topic? Best Regards, Steve Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again" |------------> | From: | |------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org> | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk> | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Cc: | |------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos | |<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, | |"Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Carlos Iglesias <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org> | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |09/09/2015 06:41 AM | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution | |for Sustainable Development | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi all, I fully agree this is a very important debate and, as Tim mentioned and (as most of you know) he's been deeply involved with both the CAF and the ODB, we keep on exploring at WF. The paper he referred to was commissioned to keeping on exploring the "Use" element. I was also intrigued about the use of household surveys and met with the World Justice Project team earlier this year to learn more about their method. They work with local/regional companies and survey thousands of people. Besides what Tim mentioned above, two more issues come to mind: time requirements and cost. Pew's and WPJ's product are not cheap and WPJ's needs 2 years per round. Complexity of the ODB itself has increased already. For example, we have introduced this year government self-assessments as a new data collection component. I believe we all certainly need to improve how we measure "Use" but also keeping in mind the perfect might be the enemy of the good. I'm copying my colleague Carlos as he's currently managing the ODB and our work on the CAF and may have something else to add. IIRC, we have organized sessions at the last several conferences on this topic and we might want to do so again soon, maybe in the context of the OGP ODWG meeting at the OGP Summit or on the sides of it as I believe most of us will be there. Best, Josema. 2015-09-09 10:12 GMT+02:00 Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>: This is a really important debate: and if finding good methods for assessing levels of open data use would be very valuable. Across the components of the Common Assessment Method for Open Data usage is the least surveyed - in part due to the complexity of finding good robust sampling strategies. Surveys: Reflecting on Steve's suggestions around surveys: The best examples we probably have of large scale survey work in this area is either from the Pew Internet Project, which has a single-country US survey capturing American's awareness of Open Government Initiatives ( http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/21/open-government-data/), and then the World Justice Project's multi-country survey of major cities, which included a number of questions for their Open Government Index ( http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/opengov/) relating to citizen perceptions around their use of Right to Information mechanisms. However, particularly when it comes to getting cross-country comparison data that is sensitive specifically to open data, as opposed to the presence of an app economy or civic technology in general, it can be very difficult to frame definitions in surveys in ways that produce reliable and comparable data. One of the issues faced in the Open Data Barometer's 'Impact' method, which broadly combines a measure of use and impact (asking about the presence of stories of open data having an impact in particular settings), is that countries that spend more resource capturing case studies of use may score higher than countries who have more cases of use, but where those cases are less well documented or promoted. Re-use that doesn't result in high-profile apps and websites is particularly likely to be missed by both expert and public-perception surveys. From a robust evidence point of view, it's would also be important I think to have independent sampling and data collection: making it tricky to put govts in the middle of asking citizens to fill out surveys. Other approaches: Two other approaches which might be useful here: (1) Refining 'data availability' metrics. As Daniel notes, most of our measures of data openness right now are not sensitive enough to data quality. There is some interesting work on domain-specific measures of quality (e.g. Open Data Watch Inventory - capturing levels of disaggregation in nationals stats: http://www.opendatawatch.com/Pages/Open-Data-Inventory.aspx), and finding metrics that indicate how re-usable a dataset is likely to be ( http://www.opendataresearch.org/dl/symposium2015/odrs2015-paper60.pdf). I've been interested in exploring whether we can find efficient methods for use-case driven testing of the practical openness of datasets to replace/complement the current check-list approaches used in the Open Data Barometer and Index. (2) Finding and evidencing good proxy variables. The Open Data Barometer includes variables on civil society capacity, and private sector ICT capacity, in part because it hypothesises that these are important ingredients of enabling re-use. It would be worth testing this in a number of contexts, and exploring whether there are other better proxy variables to capture factors aside from data quality which are strongly associated with the presence of open data re-use in a country. --- All the best Tim On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote: Great. The normal way to measure utilization is through consumer preference, but that requires a menu of different consumer choices with price discovery. We have a free commodity with few market alternatives, therefore our only option is to survey consumer opinions of open data quality, relevance, and value. Not very sophisticated but it works if we can develop a short survey and get governments to ask users to fill it out anonymously to generate reasonable sample sizes. What do people think about this? Best Regards, Steve Adler IBM Daniel Dietrich --- Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development --- From: "Daniel Dietrich" <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org> To: "Steven Adler" <adler1@us.ibm.com> Cc: "Barbara Ubaldi" <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, "Jose Manuel Alonso" < josema@webfoundation.org>, "Marcio Vasconcelos" < Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, " ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" < odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, "sumandro" < sumandro@cis-india.org>, "" <ZeitzPS@state.gov> Date: Tue, Sep 8, 2015 6:08 PM Subjec Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on t: Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development This is a great point! At Open Knowledge we have thought about (but not yet found an answer) on how to add the user perspective to the Open Data Index, as we have found that some countries actually score relatively high in the OD index and OD barometer, but when you go and ask potential re-users in those countries they will tell you that the data published is actually useless for their work, as its lacks quality (including but not limited to: high level of aggregation, missing details (itemisation), low granularity, not timely, not updated, no historic data for comparison, etc). However it is very hard to capture this kind of feedback into an index, as these are individual statements for individual use-cases. However not having this perspective the actual indexes sometimes draw a misleading picture for some countries. Interested to hear other people thoughts. All best Daniel -- Daniel Dietrich Co-founder & Chairman Open Knowledge Foundation Germany www.okfn.de | info@okfn.de | @okfde Office: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODC Stewards list" group. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/opendatacharter.net/group/odcstewardslist/. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to odcstewardslist+unsubscribe@opendatacharter.net.
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