Re: reviewing the BP doc

Laufer,

Good discussion.  Are you saying that there are instances of Datasets that
get distributed when someone downloads them?

Dataset



Best Regards,

Steve

Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"


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Makx,

I am really confused now.

In what moment of this discussion I proposed to change this model?

My participation in this post was motivated exactly because I have
identified a proposal to change that model and I expressed my opinion to
contribute.

And, again, the word abstract was not introduced by me in this post. And
this word was the main reason for my opinion. I commented to take care
using the words abstract and instance.

I also agree that the group don't have to change the DCAT model (we don't
have time to that), but I don't see any problem If someone in the group
identifiy things missing in that model, and we discuss and even decide to
insert a note in our document about this.

But as all the things in the group, is a matter of proposals and votings.

Laufer



Em terça-feira, 30 de junho de 2015, Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
escreveu:
  Laufer,





  Let’s not use words like ‘abstract things’ because we might have
  different ideas what that phrase means.





  What is clear is that dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution are classes in
  the DCAT model. DCAT defines what they are and how they are related. DCAT
  is also clear about how those classes relate to the physical data files
  or to the endpoints that give access to the actual data.





  I think we should restrict the discussion to that model. If not, we might
  end up developing a different model, and I am not sure that this group
  really wants to go there.





  Makx.








  From: Laufer [mailto:laufer@globo.com]
  Sent: 29 June 2015 22:30
  To: Makx Dekkers
  Cc: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group
  Subject: Re: reviewing the BP doc





  Ok, Makx.


  I know this DCAT diagram. I am comfortable with this. And in this model,
  both Datasets and Distributions are not abstract things.
  What it is not comfortable to me is to consider that a Dataset is an
  abstract thing.

  Laufer





  2015-06-29 16:04 GMT-03:00 Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>:


  Laufer,





  Ø  I think we have to be carefull about using the words abstract and
  instance.





  Agree. Let’s not use those words.





  Ø  From the discussions, it seems to me that the Dataset is an abstract
  thing with instances that are the distributions.


  Ø  This is what I have understood from the posts from Bernadette and from
  you. And (until now) I do not agree with this.





  This is *not* what I have argued. Please look at the diagram and examples
  in section 4 of DCAT http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#vocabulary-overview

  . That section gives an overview of the modelling approach of DCAT. I
  would agree that there are many other ways you could model this space,
  but DCAT is just what it is.





  Makx.





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