Re: Data Identification section (was Re: reviewing the BP doc)

hello phil.

> On Aug 19, 2015, at 13:26, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:
> If http://philarcher.org/foaf.rdf#me were a URL you'd have me personally popping out of your screen every time you dereferenced it.

that makes as much sense as saying that because some store *uses HTTP URIs* to identify real-world objects, that turns browsers into teleportation devices.

you cannot redefine what an HTTP URI identifies, no matter how much you want to. the community has agreed to use some kinds of URI references (different from URIs!) in certain ways, but that does not change the way how URIs or HTTP operate.

> It is a URI, it is not not a URL.

it's a URI reference, and since it's using HTTP, it also is a URL reference.

> I am not redefining anything, I am using the definitions as written in the specs. We have both quoted the same text from the same source and come to different conclusions.

you are using community conventions to read nuances into the foundation specs that aren't there. simply put yourself into the shoes of somebody knowing the specs, but not the community conventions.

> The use of HTTP does not make a URI a URL.

it does. how would you even distinguish HTTP URLs from "HTTP non-URLs"? knowing the intent of the entity that minted that identifier? and if so, what's the protocol for discovering that intent?

> The fact that a URI identifies a resource that has a location on the network is what makes it a URL, whatever the scheme.

yes, and if you provide a HTTP, you provide that location. your convention is hidden on the wider web and plays no role at that level.

> Dereferencing http://philarcher.org/foaf.rdf#me returns http://philarcher.org/foaf.rdf that includes information about http://philarcher.org/foaf.rdf#me.

yes, and on the web level, that's an HTTP resource and the URI refrence identified a fragment of it. anything beyond that is community consensus and not part of any web standards.

cheers,

dret.

Received on Wednesday, 19 August 2015 20:12:14 UTC