Re: Semantic pingback

Hi Tim,

Oh! I did not notice you were behind that proposal so, see, I was not just
trying to be polite saying this is a good idea ;-)

Do you think we could generalise the PROV Pingback into something that
could be a general SemanticWeb Pingback ?
Or would it maybe be a better idea to stick to (and maybe extend) it to
recommend that pingbacks are always handled via the PROV framework ?
Actually, I think I would prefer this last option.

@Everyone: which BP document should pick this up ? Yaso's BP on technical
considerations for commercial exploitation sounds like a good match to me
but we could also consider this to be a data preservation issue and use
pingbacks as a way to inform consumers when data changes or go off-line. Or
maybe is there an other better match in another document ?

Regards,
Christophe




On 21 May 2014 17:20, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, Christophe.
>
> Yes, we were striving for a minimal design for PROV Pingback.
> The creation of a single new HTTP rel seemed to fit the bill.
>
> If you're interested, I just submitted a camera ready paper [1] that
> discusses the application of PROV Pingback.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> [1] https://github.com/timrdf/prizms/wiki/Publication:-IPAW-2014
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Christophe Guéret <
> christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim, rather interesting ! I just mailed someone from
> pingthesemanticweb to ask about their experience with offering this service.
> The interesting thing I see with the proposal in this prov document is
> that there is no additional RPC involved as what is commonly done with
> other pingback services, instead it's just another resource linked from the
> de-referenced one. This sounds easier/simpler to put in place.
>
> Christophe
>
>
> On 3 May 2014 18:04, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, there is also http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-aq/#provenance-pingback
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>> On May 3, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Christophe Guéret <
>> christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Actions can only be assigned during the calls can't they ? ;-)
>>
>> Sure, I'll take care.
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>> On 3 May 2014 12:21, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive me Christophe but I think you just gave yourself an action ;-)
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>> On 03/05/2014 11:00, Christophe Guéret wrote:
>>> > +1 too. There used to be a pingthesemanticweb.com that provided such
>>> > service but it has been shut down. Here is a document explaining how it
>>> > worked:
>>> http://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/691s/notes/PingSemanticWeb.pdf
>>> >
>>> > Maybe interesting to get in touch with the authors to see why they
>>> dropped
>>> > it ? If it's a fundamental problem that makes this system unusable for
>>> data
>>> > publisher we better be aware of it ;-)
>>> >
>>> > Christophe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2 May 2014 17:32, Ig Ibert Bittencourt <ig.ibert@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Antoine,
>>> >>
>>> >> +1
>>> >>
>>> >> This is very great and I think this is very interesting in order for
>>> >> provide to publisher the traceability of the resources.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Ig
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-05-02 11:12 GMT-03:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At the end of the call I've pasted a link to the Semantic Pingback
>>> >>> project:
>>> >>> http://aksw.org/Projects/SemanticPingback.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The idea, if I got it well, was to have the owner of URIs receive a
>>> ping
>>> >>> when some other datasets link to their URIs. I.e. when these other
>>> datasets
>>> >>> include statements whose objects (in the RDF sense) are resource
>>> from the
>>> >>> owner's dataset.
>>> >>> This would be very relevant for data usage, especially if we're
>>> >>> interested in promoting some pagerank-like approach as alternative to
>>> >>> 'traditional' data catalogues'.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best,
>>> >>>   Antoine
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
>>> >> Professor Adjunto III - Instituto de Computação/Universidade Federal
>>> de
>>> >> Alagoas (UFAL)
>>> >> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informática na Educação
>>> >> Líder do Centro de Excelência em Tecnologias Sociais
>>> >> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor Soluções Educacionais LTDA.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Archer
>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>
>>> http://philarcher.org
>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>> @philarcher1
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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