- From: Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:29:11 -0800
- To: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>
- Cc: DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAMFz4jjvbjs-FNRbJ4bkCOsj733DDwkttS8=PWRHzo=eY-OBCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks Annette for sharing your thoughts on this topic in the meeting last week and in this email. In your text the term consumers really jumped out at me. If consumers only has a read-only connotation then I'd rather avoid this term altogether. Actually consumers was never actually never mentioned originally as part of the working group mission, instead the term "developer" was used. Developers to me, are technologists building applications and devices that reuse published data, including creating new data that can be published, processing and modifying published data, or strictly reading data in the life span of a running application. Users rely on the tools created by publishers and developers to edit published data and provide feedback. Publishers to me just focus on hosting and administering their data on the web in an orderly way. Since the original intent of BP was to "facilitate better communication between developers and publishers.' Maybe there should be best practices that target publishers and developers divided into two documents. The closest analogy is that off the shelf data storage systems two types of documentation are written: 1) Data administrators who manage the data system 2) End users (developers) who write applications that interact with the data system Thanks, Eric S On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote: > > Hi folks, > To pick up the discussion about our audience, I want to set down what I > see as our audience for the current BP document. By audience I mean the > people we expect to actually sit down and read it, not the people whose > interests we need to consider in creating it (those are what I call > stakeholders). It’s possible that we all agree but are just thinking of the > terms differently. > > To my mind, our audience includes anyone involved in making data available > to consumers on the web. That is publishing data. It includes anyone who > collects or collates the data, organizes the data, creates web pages or > apps to share the data, re-publishes it in such a way that others can > re-use it, or makes decisions relevant to how people do those tasks. They > could be developers, lawyers, CIOs, researchers, archivists, designers, > almost any job title. What matters, though, is not their job title but what > actions they take with respect to the data. The action of consuming it is > not what we have been discussing, it isn’t represented in any of the > current best practices or in our scoping criteria, and it isn’t called for > in the charter’s requirement to create a BP document. Thus far, we are not > targeting our BPs to people who are *only* consuming the data and not > republishing it. > > I’ve already talked about the charter and the existing BPs in a previous > email, so I’ll just address the scoping criteria here. The first one, being > unique to publishing on the web, is obviously about publishing rather than > consuming. The second one, encouraging reuse, is also about publishing, > just in such a way that someone else can make use of the data. The charter > mentions re-use in its mission in list item 2, which calls on us to > "provide _guidance_to_publishers_ that will improve consistency in the way > data is managed, thus promoting the re-use of data". If a consumer wants to > publish something that makes the data truly re-usable, they must include > the data itself, which means that they are publishing the data. The third > criterion, testability, simply deals with the mechanics of making sure that > one is successful in achieving the best practices. > > It might help to consider an example: your organization publishes data > about traffic in Rio. It's made available through an API. A data scientist > in Lisbon is interested in the data and makes a visualization based on it > that she posts on her blog. The data scientist does not make the data > available in any form other than the visualization itself. She has not > really enriched your data, because the original data still has no > connection to the visualization. She cannot take action on any of the best > practices we have identified thus far unless she re-publishes it herself, > as data. > > Your organization could link to the visualization, thereby enriching the > data, but the data scientist in Lisbon cannot force it to do that. Our best > practice around data enrichment calls on publishers to consider making that > link or creating the visualization themselves. If we were writing that same > best practice for a consumer audience, it would have to say something like > "you should enrich other people's data". So, we would end up telling data > enrichers that they should enrich data, which strikes me as tautological. > One could go into detail about how to make good visualizations (use good > labels, don’t rely on color alone, provide a zero point in your scales, > etc.), but that seems to me out of scope. (I teach an entire semester > course on visualization, so I could come up with lots of best practices > about it, but I don't think we want to go there in the BP document we’ve > been working on.) > > Now suppose the consumer in Lisbon would like to provide feedback. If we, > as the publisher, have not provided a mechanism for them to do so, they > cannot provide it. Our best practice is about making it possible to provide > feedback and then acting on the feedback to improve the published data. A > consumer has a role here, but again, there is little point to telling a > consumer who wants to give feedback that they should give feedback. I > certainly wouldn’t expect a data consumer to wade through a long list of > publisher-oriented best practices to be told that they should give feedback > whenever they are so inclined. > > I would support the idea of putting together a separate list of best > practices for data consumers if we can think of a way to scope it that > works. > > -Annette > > > -- > Annette Greiner > NERSC Data and Analytics Services > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > 510-495-2935 > > >
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