Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Hi everyone,

Notes from todays TF call below.

@Bill @Tim I'm not actually sure whether we'd decided to split Q4. It
seemed that way when cleaning up my notes.

Thanks again to everyone for their comments!

Have a good weekend,
Peter.

* feedback  from IG was good -- thanks everyone!
* Tim: long but it's good
  * Bill: +1
* re Ivan: humanities and social science not explicitly included
  * b/c aligned with common interpretations of "STEM"
* Tim: 30 questions would be better but couldn't find anything worth
cutting.

[[going through survey]]
* intro
  * Tim: identify sections
  * me: add note in intro & on every multi-choice that it's desired.
* Tim: q3 before q2?
    * => agreed
* 3 subject areas:
  * add: STEM Education
  * add: Computer Science  (h/t Ivan)
  * add: Other (Library Science, Social Science, humanity) (Please add
comment!)
* 4 => split
  * "audience" instead of "target audience" (what are you part of / do you
target)
    * add list of audiences -- h/t Tzviya!
  * "platform do you use / or target to publish
    * print
    * tablet
    * desktop
    * ebooks
* 7 => split
  * on the web => on the web and/or web-based platforms [check what Qs can
use this change]
  * split:
    * do you publish
    * where is that technology at for you?
* 9 -- add parenthetical examples
  * Tim: had different understanding: is it just linking?
     * no: primarily modification/extension/etc.
  * agreement that that focus is ok
  * add parenthetical examples
* 13
  * me: add tables (often turned into images)
  * Tim: add webCSV
  * SVG
  * make larger list
     * link to / use 5
* 15
  * add examples: massive collaboration (zooniverse, LHC, polymath)
* 16:
  * turn "None" to "Does not apply / unable (leave a comment!)"
* 17
  * "Add comment" =>  "Please add a comment on tools you use"
* 18:
  * add "office documents" (word processing, spreadhseet documents)
  * add: web platforms (wiki, blogs, source repositories (GItHub,
BitBucket), specialized repositories (Zenodo, Figshare))
* 21
  * <br> if not why not? Which disadv...
* 23
  * What web and web-related standards ...
  * First item: W3C standards (HTML, CSS, SVG, MathML etc)
  * [peter while making minutes: stress call for adding comments]
* 27. Clarify to something like:
  * Why do you not author in format/tech that you want to read?
  * Why do you not consume in the format people author?
* 32
  * rephrase to something like "What is the state of the art in a11y in
your subject area?"


On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
wrote:

> The most generic terms are primary ("elementary school" in the US),
> secondary ("high school" in the US), and tertiary ("college" in the US,
> usually meaning both undergraduate and graduate study.
>
> BTW Ivan did you notice that Peter moved the meeting an hour earlier? You
> said that worked for you.
>
> --Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:01 AM
> To: Ivan Herman
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: RE: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
> I am such an American!
>
> I think more universal terms for K12 are primary school and high school.
>
> University (or college) students are also called undergraduate students,
> those studying for Bachelor's degree (yes, that's how it's spelled in
> America). In the US, more often a BA than a BsC.
>
> Graduate Student is a catch-all term for everything after that,  Masters,
> PhD, MD, PsyD, etc.
>
> These categories are just suggestions.
>
> Tzviya
>
> ****************************
> Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley &
> Sons, Inc.
> 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
>
> > On 07 Jan 2015, at 15:35 , Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Excellent work.
> >
> > I recommend linking to the Web Annotations WG instead of the DPUB TF
> >
> > Because some of these questions will be irrelevant to some respondents,
> I recommend making all questions optional.
> >
> > Question 4: target audience. Is there a way we can make this multiple
> choice? Perhaps:
> > K12 students
>
> Except that... "K12" is an Americanism. I had no idea wha that means until
> I began to talk to you guys...
>
>
> > University Students
> > Graduate Students
>
> That again may be unclear outside the US. Actually... I am not even 100%
> sure what it means. I am not a university person but I remember my son was
> talking about "Master student", "PhD student", or "BsC Student". What
> corresponds to what?
>
>
> Ivan
>
> > Researchers
> > Professionals
> > Other
> >
> > Question 7: I think the wording might be a little confusing because we
> are asking both whether existing tech is sufficient and insufficient at
> once. Perhaps, break it into 2 parts. (What) do you use to associate
> additional with your content (multiple choice). Then free-form, do you find
> this sufficient, please explain.
> >
> > Question 9: I am not sure that this question will be clear enough.
> Perhaps, we need to clarify what we mean by re-usable. Re-usable to whom? I
> think this is targeting the publishers in the audience and the question is
> whether the publishers are re-using content chunks.
> >
> > Question 15: Massive collaboration is listed twice
> >
> > Question 17: Do you want respondents to specify which tools are in use?
> Perhaps clarify what you’d like to see in comments.
> >
> > Question 29: I am not sure what you mean by non-web. Is this offline?
> Print?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tzviya
> > ****************************
> > Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley
> & Sons, Inc.
> > 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
> >
> > From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:55 PM
> > To: W3C Digital Publishing IG
> > Subject: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've finished the first draft of the STEM TF Survey.
> >
> > You can find it at
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/.
> >
> > Please take a look and post comments here.
> >
> > Best,
> > Peter.
>
>
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> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
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