Re: [Minutes] 2014-09-08 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

I gave regrets (offline).

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch, Nokia
@fjhirsch



On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2014-09-08 are now available at
> 
> 	http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
> 
> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
> 	http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
> 
> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Thierry Michel
> 
> ----------------------------
> 
>   [1]W3C
> 
>      [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>            Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> 
> 08 Sept 2014
> 
>   [2]Agenda
> 
>      [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
> 
>   See also: [3]IRC log
> 
>      [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc
> 
>   Attendees:
>          [4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan),
>          [6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga),
>          [8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman
>          (tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza),  [11]Luc Audrain (Luc),
>          [12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf
>          (Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
>          [15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi),
>          [17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup),
>          [19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti),
>          [21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi
>          (AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko
>          (benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth),
>          [26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano),
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>         http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano
> 
>          +1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd,
>          +33.6.48.38.aabb,  +1.734.904.aacc,
> 
>   Regrets:
>          Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter
>          Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael
>          Miller (Mike).
> 
>   Chair
>          Markus Gylling (mgylling)
> 
>   Scribe
>          Julie Morris (Julie)
> 
> Contents
> 
>     * [27]Topics
>     * [28]Summary of Action Items
>     __________________________________________________________
> 
>   <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
> 
>   <ivan> scribenick: julie
> 
>   <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no
>   longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
> 
>   Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none,
>   approved
> 
>   MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
> 
>   PF meeting last week
> 
>   two topics: 1) role attributes
> 
>   <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
> 
>   Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and
>   formats
> 
>   <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
> 
>   some of documentation more formal than what group's
>   documentation has been in the past
> 
>   Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to
>   include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
> 
>   she will have the document to share with all next week
> 
>   MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
> 
>   Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to
>   give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
> 
>   meaningful for educational content
> 
>   read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or
>   non-sighted reader
> 
>   <mgylling> btw, recap:
>   [29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac
>   hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
> 
>     [29] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
> 
>   MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will
>   override the HTML5 spec
>   ... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act
>   simultaneously with PF
> 
>   Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
>   ... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes
>   to HTML)
> 
>   <ivan> +1 to Markus
> 
>   MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of
>   timing
> 
>   Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some
>   other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be
>   scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
>   ... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we
>   will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues
>   are also somewhat separate from PF
>   ... will connect with Judy Brewer
> 
>   <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
> 
>   Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
> 
>   Bill K: metadata report draft...
> 
>   Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
> 
>   scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
> 
>   <ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
> 
>     [30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
> 
>   scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary;
>   interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on
>   the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of
>   people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's
>   conclusions for what needs to be done
>   ... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible
>   action, grounded in interviews and summary
>   ... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused
>   on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or
>   less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write
>   metadata
>   ... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased
>   report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with
>   recommendations
>   ... looking for feedback from the IG
> 
>   <ivan> [31]Initial recommendations
> 
>     [31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations
> 
>   scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there
>   are existing vocabularies that work
>   ... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe
>   schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
>   ... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
>   ... some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
> 
>   <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
> 
>   BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most
>   essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org
>   additions
> 
>   scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from
>   there
> 
>   Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work
>   together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
> 
>   Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson
>   all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
> 
>   Bill K; next step to identify priorities
> 
>   <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
> 
>   <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
> 
>   linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
> 
>   scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on
>   there?
> 
>   <ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group
> 
>     [32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants
> 
>   Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily
>   library-centric
> 
>   <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos
>   :)
> 
>   Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked
>   data space
> 
>   <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and
>   working with lib linked dasta people
> 
>   Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
> 
>   some are issues IG can approach and some are not
> 
>   scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata
>   traveling with content
> 
>   Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some
>   lives with content
> 
>   Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of
>   rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
> 
>   Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level
>   also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
> 
>   these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
> 
>   Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be
>   used for metadata
>   ... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections
>   between annotations
> 
>   Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should
>   focus on, i.e. schema.org work
> 
>   scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C
>   issues
> 
>   MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a
>   start?
> 
>   Tzviya will do
> 
>   Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues,
>   so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue
>   will be logged
>   ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to
>   GitHub
>   ... tracker should be used to properly record issues
> 
>   MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
> 
>   <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
> 
>   MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement
>   co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able
>   to step up as co-chair
> 
>   <Luc> +1
> 
>   Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
> 
>   <philm> +1
> 
>   +1
> 
>   <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
> 
>   MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up
>   meetings with
> 
>   proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
> 
>   <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure
>   that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
> 
>   scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
>   ... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present
>   to them
> 
>   Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
>   ... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
>   ... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
>   ... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
>   ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require
>   changes on the dom level?
> 
>   <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
> 
>   MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on
>   Tues
>   ... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but
>   not specific topics to discuss at this point
> 
>   Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and
>   accessibility team re-SVG attribution
> 
>   scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
> 
>   Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
> 
>   <azaroth> +1 :)
> 
>   scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
> 
>   at some point during the week
> 
>   Tzviya: what about internationalization?
> 
>   Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
> 
>   scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group
>   for help on
> 
>   Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
>   ... only one character set, but an important one
> 
>   MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda
>   next week, open to suggestions
>   ... thanks everyone, until next Monday
> 
>   [end of call]
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>   [End of minutes]
>     __________________________________________________________
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