- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:15:27 +0200
- To: Frederick Hirsch <w3c@fjhirsch.com>
- Cc: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <BE4ADF3A-50F0-4BD2-8567-A428E76233DF@w3.org>
Added. ivan On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:37 , Frederick Hirsch <w3c@fjhirsch.com> wrote: > I gave regrets (offline). > > regards, Frederick > > Frederick Hirsch, Nokia > @fjhirsch > > > > On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2014-09-08 are now available at >> >> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html >> >> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings >> >> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience. >> >> Best, >> >> Thierry Michel >> >> ---------------------------- >> >> [1]W3C >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/ >> >> Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference >> >> 08 Sept 2014 >> >> [2]Agenda >> >> [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com >> >> See also: [3]IRC log >> >> [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc >> >> Attendees: >> [4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan), >> [6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga), >> [8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman >> (tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza), [11]Luc Audrain (Luc), >> [12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf >> (Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami), >> [15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi), >> [17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup), >> [19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti), >> [21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi >> (AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko >> (benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth), >> [26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano), >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson >> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano >> >> +1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd, >> +33.6.48.38.aabb, +1.734.904.aacc, >> >> Regrets: >> Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter >> Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael >> Miller (Mike). >> >> Chair >> Markus Gylling (mgylling) >> >> Scribe >> Julie Morris (Julie) >> >> Contents >> >> * [27]Topics >> * [28]Summary of Action Items >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014 >> >> <ivan> scribenick: julie >> >> <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no >> longer chairing (but I'll be out next week) >> >> Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none, >> approved >> >> MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF >> >> PF meeting last week >> >> two topics: 1) role attributes >> >> <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India >> >> Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and >> formats >> >> <AkshatJ> thank ivan :) >> >> some of documentation more formal than what group's >> documentation has been in the past >> >> Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to >> include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF >> >> she will have the document to share with all next week >> >> MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work? >> >> Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to >> give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning >> >> meaningful for educational content >> >> read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or >> non-sighted reader >> >> <mgylling> btw, recap: >> [29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac >> hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options >> >> [29] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options >> >> MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will >> override the HTML5 spec >> ... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act >> simultaneously with PF >> >> Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process >> ... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes >> to HTML) >> >> <ivan> +1 to Markus >> >> MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of >> timing >> >> Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some >> other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be >> scheduling a meeting ASAP to address >> ... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we >> will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues >> are also somewhat separate from PF >> ... will connect with Judy Brewer >> >> <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf >> >> Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections >> >> Bill K: metadata report draft... >> >> Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit >> >> scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute >> >> <ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report >> >> [30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ >> >> scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary; >> interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on >> the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of >> people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's >> conclusions for what needs to be done >> ... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible >> action, grounded in interviews and summary >> ... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused >> on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or >> less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write >> metadata >> ... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased >> report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with >> recommendations >> ... looking for feedback from the IG >> >> <ivan> [31]Initial recommendations >> >> [31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations >> >> scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there >> are existing vocabularies that work >> ... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe >> schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX >> ... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite" >> ... some of ONIX is relevant, others not, >> >> <madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan. >> >> BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most >> essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org >> additions >> >> scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from >> there >> >> Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work >> together for mutual benefit to accomplish this >> >> Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson >> all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG >> >> Bill K; next step to identify priorities >> >> <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop >> >> <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to >> >> linked data for libraries project w/OCLC >> >> scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on >> there? >> >> <ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group >> >> [32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants >> >> Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily >> library-centric >> >> <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos >> :) >> >> Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked >> data space >> >> <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and >> working with lib linked dasta people >> >> Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document... >> >> some are issues IG can approach and some are not >> >> scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata >> traveling with content >> >> Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some >> lives with content >> >> Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of >> rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates >> >> Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level >> also needs to be associated with chunks within the content >> >> these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues >> >> Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be >> used for metadata >> ... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections >> between annotations >> >> Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should >> focus on, i.e. schema.org work >> >> scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C >> issues >> >> MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a >> start? >> >> Tzviya will do >> >> Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues, >> so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue >> will be logged >> ... if there are changes, these should be added directly to >> GitHub >> ... tracker should be used to properly record issues >> >> MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC >> >> <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya >> >> MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement >> co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able >> to step up as co-chair >> >> <Luc> +1 >> >> Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC >> >> <philm> +1 >> >> +1 >> >> <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!! >> >> MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up >> meetings with >> >> proposed draft of agenda for next meeting >> >> <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure >> that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting? >> >> scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS, >> ... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present >> to them >> >> Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley >> ... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility >> ... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with >> ... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts >> ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require >> changes on the dom level? >> >> <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf] >> >> MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on >> Tues >> ... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but >> not specific topics to discuss at this point >> >> Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and >> accessibility team re-SVG attribution >> >> scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri. >> >> Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team >> >> <azaroth> +1 :) >> >> scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering >> >> at some point during the week >> >> Tzviya: what about internationalization? >> >> Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues >> >> scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group >> for help on >> >> Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements >> ... only one character set, but an important one >> >> MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda >> next week, open to suggestions >> ... thanks everyone, until next Monday >> >> [end of call] >> >> Summary of Action Items >> >> [End of minutes] >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Minutes formatted by David Booth's [33]scribe.perl version >> 1.138 ([34]CVS log) >> $Date: 2014-09-08 16:47:25 $ >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> [33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm >> [34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ >> >> Scribe.perl diagnostic output >> >> [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] >> This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.138 of Date: 2013-04-25 13:59:11 >> Check for newer version at [35]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ >> scribe/ >> >> [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/ >> >> Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) >> >> Succeeded: s/minimun/minimum/ >> Succeeded: s/[last name?]/Brewer/ >> Found ScribeNick: julie >> Inferring Scribes: julie >> >> WARNING: No "Topic:" lines found. >> >> >> WARNING: No "Present: ... 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