- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:49:41 +0200
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-09-08 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
08 Sept 2014
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-irc
Attendees:
[4]Phil Madans (philm), [5]Ivan Herman (Ivan),
[6]Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), [7]Brady Duga (duga),
[8]Markus Gylling (mgylling), [9]Tzviya Siegman
(tzviya), [10]Liza Daly (liza), [11]Luc Audrain (Luc),
[12]Charles LaPierre (clapierre), [13]Bill Kasdorf
(Bill_Kasdorf), [14]Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
[15]Julie Morris (Julie) , [16]Madi Solomon (madi),
[17]Liam Quin (Liam), [18]David Stroup (david_stroup),
[19]Tom De Nies (TomDN), [20]Paul Belfanti (pBelfanti),
[21]Vladimir Levantovsky (Vlad), [22]Akshat Joshi
(AkshatJoshi), [23]Thierry Michel (tmichel), [24]Ben Ko
(benjaminsko),[25] Robert Sanderson (azaroth),
[26]Patrick_Pagano (Patrick_Pagano),
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Deborah_Kaplan
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Charles_LaPierre
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Shinyu_Murakami
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/David_Stroup
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Paul_Belfanti
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Akshat_Joshi
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Patrick_Pagano
+1.917.447.aaaa,+1.718.701.aaee, +91.99.70.18.aadd,
+33.6.48.38.aabb, +1.734.904.aacc,
Regrets:
Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Peter
Krautzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Michael
Miller (Mike).
Chair
Markus Gylling (mgylling)
Scribe
Julie Morris (Julie)
Contents
* [27]Topics
* [28]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
<ivan> scribenick: julie
<liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no
longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none,
approved
MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
PF meeting last week
two topics: 1) role attributes
<AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
Tzviya: had a call to determine next steps with protocols and
formats
<AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
some of documentation more formal than what group's
documentation has been in the past
Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to
include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
she will have the document to share with all next week
MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to
give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
meaningful for educational content
read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or
non-sighted reader
<mgylling> btw, recap:
[29]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approac
hes:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
[29]
https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will
override the HTML5 spec
... when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act
simultaneously with PF
Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
... should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes
to HTML)
<ivan> +1 to Markus
MGylling: at minimum, recognize the overlap and importance of
timing
Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some
other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be
scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
... there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we
will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues
are also somewhat separate from PF
... will connect with Judy Brewer
<Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
Bill K: metadata report draft...
Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
scribe: now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
<ivan> [30]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
[30] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
scribe: three things currently there: 1) interview summary;
interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on
the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of
people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's
conclusions for what needs to be done
... question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible
action, grounded in interviews and summary
... trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused
on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or
less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write
metadata
... summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased
report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with
recommendations
... looking for feedback from the IG
<ivan> [31]Initial recommendations
[31] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations
scribe: futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there
are existing vocabularies that work
... idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe
schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
... but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
... some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
<madi> Must run. Thank you Bill and Ivan.
BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most
essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org
additions
scribe: will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from
there
Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work
together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson
all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
Bill K; next step to identify priorities
<pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
<ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
scribe: how will this work interact with current work going on
there?
<ivan> [32]list of participants in the schemabibtex group
[32] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants
Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded by Richard Wallis, was heavily
library-centric
<azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos
:)
Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked
data space
<dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and
working with lib linked dasta people
Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
some are issues IG can approach and some are not
scribe: burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata
traveling with content
Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some
lives with content
Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of
rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level
also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be
used for metadata
... needs to be emphasized in the document the connections
between annotations
Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should
focus on, i.e. schema.org work
scribe: i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C
issues
MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a
start?
Tzviya will do
Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues,
so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue
will be logged
... if there are changes, these should be added directly to
GitHub
... tracker should be used to properly record issues
MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
<azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
MGylling: IG has had good progress for finding a replacement
co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able
to step up as co-chair
<Luc> +1
Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
<philm> +1
+1
<Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up
meetings with
proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
<azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure
that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
scribe: WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
... agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present
to them
Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
... HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
... Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
... Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require
changes on the dom level?
<liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on
Tues
... large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but
not specific topics to discuss at this point
Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and
accessibility team re-SVG attribution
scribe: accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
<azaroth> +1 :)
scribe: Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
at some point during the week
Tzviya: what about internationalization?
Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
scribe: pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group
for help on
Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
... only one character set, but an important one
MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda
next week, open to suggestions
... thanks everyone, until next Monday
[end of call]
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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