RE: [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Thanks, much better.
Luc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
Envoyé : mardi 28 janvier 2014 16:45
À : AUDRAIN LUC; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Objet : Re: [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Luc,
For some reason the server does not do content negociation.
Seems it needs the .html extension

therefore try full URI
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html

it should be fine ...

Thierry

On 28/01/2014 15:44, AUDRAIN LUC wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> Minutes are badly formatted and cannot be read. Could it be fixed?
> Thanks,
> Luc
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
> Envoyé : mardi 28 janvier 2014 10:52
> À : W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Objet : [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>
> Hi all,
>
> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> dated 2014-01-27 are now available at
>
> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27

>
> These public minutes are also linked  from the dpub wiki
> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

>
> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>
> Best,
>
> Thierry Michel
>
> ----------------------------
>
>
> Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>
> Minutes of 27 January 2014
>
>      Agenda
>             [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig

>             /2014Jan/0033.html
>
>         [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0033.html

>
>      Present
>             [2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bill Kasdorf, [4]Brady Duga, [5]Dave
>             Cramer, [6]Dmitry Shkolnik, [7]Frederick Hirsch,
>             [8]Gerardo Capiel, [9]Ivan Herman, [10]Jean Kaplansky,
>             [11]Julie Morris, [12]Laura Fowler, [13]Liam Quin,
>             [14]Liza Daly, [15]Luc Audrain, [16]Markus Gylling,
>             [17]Phil Madans, [18]Richard Schwerdtfeger, [19]Robert
>             Sanderson, [20]Suzanne Taylor, [21]Thierry Michel,
>             [22]Tom De Nies, [23]Karen Myers, [24]Vladimir
>             Levantovsky
>
>         [2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns

>         [3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>         [4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>         [5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer

>         [6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik

>         [7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch

>         [8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>         [9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman

>        [10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky

>        [11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris

>        [12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler

>        [13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin

>        [14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly

>        [15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain

>        [16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>        [17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans

>        [18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>        [19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>        [20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>        [21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>        [22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies

>        [23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>        [24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky

>
>      Regrets
>             [25]Dave Cramer, [26]Ivan Herman, [27]Alan Stearns,
>             [28]Liam Quin, [29]Luc Audrain, [30]Phil Madans, [31]Tom
>             De Nies
>
>        [25] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer

>        [26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman

>        [27] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns

>        [28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin

>        [29] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain

>        [30] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans

>        [31] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies

>
>      Scribe
>             [32]Karen Myers
>
>        [32] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      IRC Log
>             [33]Original
>
>        [33] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-dpub-irc

>
>      Resolutions
>             None.
>
>      Topics
>
>            1. [34]Approval of previous meeting minutes
>            2. [35]Annotations TF: planning for publishing
>               requirements as Note
>
>      [36]Liza Daly: Yes [37]←
> 15:59:44 <karen> zakim, code?
>
>        [36] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly

>
>      [38]Markus Gylling: Karen, ok to scribe?
>      [39]←
> 16:00:30 <Zakim> +duga
>
>        [38] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +duga [40]←
> 16:00:38 <Zakim> +??P21
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 [41]←
> 16:00:47 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [42]←
> 16:00:52 <tmichel> zakim, ??P21 is me
>
>      [43]Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P21 is me [44]←
> 16:00:52 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
>
>        [43] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [45]←
> 16:01:23 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
>
>      [46]Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here [47]←
> 16:01:23 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
>
>        [46] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
>      [48]←
> 16:01:35 <mgylling> zakim, aadd is LFowler
>
>      [49]Markus Gylling: zakim, aadd is LFowler [50]←
> 16:01:35 <Zakim> +LFowler; got it
>
>        [49] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +LFowler; got it [51]←
> 16:01:41 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
>
>      [52]Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? [53]←
> 16:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylli
> ng, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Kare
> n_Myers
>
>        [52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly,
>      mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad,
>      duga, tmichel, Karen_Myers [54]←
> 16:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, az
> aroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger,
>    tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss,
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad,
>      fjh, azaroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga,
>      richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns,
>      plinss, [55]←
> 16:01:43 <Zakim> ... trackbot
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot [56]←
> 16:02:01 <tmichel> wHO IS 1.646.336.aabb ,
>
>      [57]Thierry Michel: who is 1.646.336.aabb , [58]←
> 16:02:22 <Zakim> +??P31
>
>        [57] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 [59]←
> 16:02:24 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky [60]←
> 16:02:28 <Zakim> +AWK
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [61]←
> 16:02:35 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
>
> 16:02:50 <Zakim> +Marilyn
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +Marilyn [62]←
> 16:02:53 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P31 is me
>
>      [63]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P31 is me [64]←
> 16:02:53 <tmichel> IS ??P31 JeanKaplansky OR Karen_Myers ,
> [65]
>
>        [63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>        [65] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      Thierry Michel: is ??P31 Jean Kaplansky or Karen Myers , [66]←
> 16:02:54 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [67]←
> 16:03:16 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik
>
>      [68]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik [69]←
> 16:03:16 <Zakim> +dshkolnik; got it
>
>        [68] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +dshkolnik; got it [70]←
> 16:03:18 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [71]←
> 16:03:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [72]←
> 16:03:23 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
>
>      [73]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [74]←
> 16:03:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
>
>        [73] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [75]←
> 16:03:29 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
> 16:03:47 <karen> Markus: Let's get going
>
>      [76]Markus Gylling: Let's get going
>      [77]Julie Morris: I'm at a 646 number
> 16:04:03 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris
>
>        [76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>        [77] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris

>
>      [78]Markus Gylling: Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris [79]←
> 16:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling
>
>        [78] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris',
>      mgylling [80]←
> 16:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaee
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaee [81]←
> 16:04:29 <karen> Markus: Thierry, if you can assign that to Julie
> [82]
>
>        [82] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...Welcome everyone [83]←
> 16:04:41 <mgylling> regrets: Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Lia
> m Quin, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Tom De Nies
> 16:04:41 <tmichel> Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris
>
>      [84]Thierry Michel: Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris [85]←
> 16:04:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tm
> ichel
>
>        [84] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie
>      Morris', tmichel [86]←
> 16:04:41 <karen> ...We have Karen scribing today
>
>      [87]Karen Myers: ...We have Karen scribing today
>      [88]Karen Myers: ...and registering regrets [89]←
>      [90]Karen Myers: ...Short agenda for today [91]←
> 16:05:03 <karen> ...As you know, we are running these focused themes wit
> h the task forces
>
>        [87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>        [88] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>        [90] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [92]Karen Myers: ...As you know, we are running these focused
>      themes with the task forces [93]←
> 16:05:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
>
>        [92] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf [94]←
> 16:05:16 <karen> ...We don't have a new task force today because we have
>    an urgent matter to cover annotations
>
>      [95]Karen Myers: ...We don't have a new task force today
>      because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations [96]←
>      [97]Karen Myers: ...But on this call we'll decide what task
>      force to review next week [98]←
> 16:05:34 <karen> ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our ca
> lls
>
>        [95] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>        [97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [99]Karen Myers: ...We have one person who has not yet made it
>      to our calls [100]←
>      [101]Karen Myers: ...Rich, can you say a few words? [102]←
> 16:05:47 <karen> Rich: I am CTO for IBM software
>
>        [99] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [103]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am CTO for Accessibility for IBM
>      software
>      B[104]ill Kasdorf: has Julie from BISG been introduced? [105]←
> 16:05:52 <karen> ...and chair the ARIA standards effort
>
>       [103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>       [104] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      [106]Karen Myers: ...and chair the ARIA standards effort [107]←
> 16:06:01 <tmichel> topic: Approval of previous meeting minutes
>
>       [106] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
> 1. Approval of previous meeting minutes
>
> 16:06:14 <karen> Markus: Last week's minutes are published
>
>      [108]Markus Gylling: Last week's minutes are published
> 16:06:19 <karen> ...any objections to accepting them?
>
>       [108] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [109]Karen Myers: ...any objections to accepting them? [110]←
> 16:06:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/CTO/CTO for Accessibility/
> 16:06:33 <tmichel> topic: Annotations TF: planning for publishing requir
> ements as Note
>
>       [109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
> 2. Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note
>
> 16:06:51 <karen> Markus: there is work underway to propose the formation
>    of a working track working group
>
>      [111]Markus Gylling: there is work underway to propose the
>      formation of a working track working group
> 16:07:01 <karen> ...of the open annotations community group
> [112]
>
>       [111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [112] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...of the open annotations community group [113]←
> 16:07:15 <karen> ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so th
> ey can be used and referenced by the WG
>
>      [114]Karen Myers: ...we are thinking to fast track the
>      requirements so they can be used and referenced by the WG
>      [115]←
> 16:07:26 <karen> ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
>
>       [114] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [116]Karen Myers: ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
>      [117]←
> 16:07:35 <karen> Rob: in order to ensure all the requirements in the IG
> are met
>
>       [116] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>
>      [118]Robert Sanderson: in order to ensure all the requirements
>      of the IG are met
>      [119]Karen Myers: ...in the WG process [120]←
> 16:07:58 <karen> ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirel
> y finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now
>
>       [118] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [121]Karen Myers: ...would be great to have the usec cases if
>      not entirely finished, at least be a lot more formalized than
>      they are now
>      [122]Markus Gylling: To do this, the first thing to keep in
>      mind
> 16:08:13 <karen> ...is that this is the process all the task forces will
>    go through
>
>       [121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [122] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [123]Karen Myers: ...is that this is the process all the task
>      forces will go through [124]←
> 16:08:23 <azaroth> s/in the IG/of the IG/
> 16:08:25 <karen> ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task
> Force work
>
>       [123] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [125]Karen Myers: ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of
>      the Task Force work [126]←
> 16:08:29 <azaroth> s/and the WG/in the WG/
> 16:08:36 <karen> ...we expect taht they will formalize in Note documents
> [127]
>
>       [125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...we expect that they will formalize in Note
>      documents [128]←
> 16:08:49 <karen> ...It looks like annotations task force will take the n
> ext steps in this sequence first
>
>      [129]Karen Myers: ...It looks like annotations task force will
>      take the next steps in this sequence first [130]←
>      [131]Karen Myers: ...but we want to clarify with the sequence
>      first [132]←
> 16:09:03 <karen> ...And hope Karen can help us
>
>       [129] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [131] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [133]Karen Myers: ...And hope Karen can help us [134]←
> 16:09:17 <karen> ...basically I think there is the following steps
>
>       [133] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [135]Karen Myers: ...basically I think there is the following
>      steps [136]←
> 16:09:21 <karen> ...let me throw them out here
>
>       [135] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [137]Karen Myers: ...let me throw them out here [138]←
> 16:09:34 <karen> ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill
> in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
>
>       [137] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [139]Karen Myers:: ...First is that we as an IG go over the
>      wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
>      [140]←
> 16:09:46 <karen> ...Second step is that the task force produces a first
> version of the Note document
>
>       [139] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [141]Karen Myers: ...Second step is that the task force
>      produces a first version of the Note document [142]←
> 16:09:51 <karen> ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
>
>       [141] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [143]Karen Myers: ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
>      [144]←
> 16:10:03 <karen> ...and likely use Respect and JS to produce a Note
>
>       [143] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [145]Karen Myers: ...and likely use ReSpec JS to produce a Note
>      [146]←
>      [147]Karen Myers: ...at that point, it is the IG's first public
>      draft [148]←
> 16:10:26 <karen> ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and
> on the mailing list within a period of time
>
>       [145] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [147] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [149]Karen Myers: ...and we accept comments both internally
>      with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time [150]←
>      [151]Karen Myers: ...let's say it's one month [152]←
> 16:10:43 <azaroth> s/Respect and JS/ReSpec JS/
> 16:10:43 <karen> ...And once the comment period is done and edits are do
> ne, we are ready to publish the Note
>
>       [149] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [151] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [153]Karen Myers: ...And once the comment period is done and
>      edits are done, we are ready to publish the Note [154]←
> 16:10:49 <karen> ...i don't think it's much more complex than that
>
>       [153] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [155]Karen Myers: ...i don't think it's much more complex than
>      that[156]←
> 16:10:55 <azaroth> \me http://www.w3.org/respec/

>
>       [155] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [157]Robert Sanderson: \me [158]http://www.w3.org/respec/

>      [159]←
> 16:11:02 <karen> ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
> [160]
>
>       [157] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [158] http://www.w3.org/respec/

>       [160] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
>      [161]←
> 16:11:44 <karen> Karen: we can review process document...just the time f
> rame may need checking
>
>      [162]Karen Myers: we can review process document...just the
>      time frame may need checking
> 16:12:01 <karen> Markus: We need to be done...
>
>       [162] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [163]Karen Myers: We need to be done...[164]←
> 16:12:06 <karen> ...does this sound feasible?
>
>       [163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [165]Karen Myers: ...does this sound feasible? [166]←
> 16:12:09 <karen> Rob: yes, that sounds good
> [167]
>
>       [165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>       [167] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      Robert Sanderson:  yes, that sounds good
> 16:12:21 <karen> ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charte
> rwise that can be discussed by 1 April
>
>      [168]Karen Myers: ...in terms of timing, we need to have
>      something charterwise that can be discussed by 1 April [169]←
> 16:12:27 <karen> ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state
>
>       [168] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [170]Karen Myers: ...meaning that the Note should be in a good
>      state [171]←
>      [172]Karen Myers: ...according to the IG [173]←
> 16:12:40 <karen> ...about one month or three weeks before the annotation
> s
>
>       [170] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [172] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [174]Karen Myers: ...about one month or three weeks before the
>      annotations [175]←
> 16:12:46 <karen> ...would go three weeks to write the note
>
>       [174] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [176]Karen Myers: ...would go three weeks to write the note
>      [177]←
> 16:12:55 <karen> Markus: are you ok with producing a version of the Note
>    now
>
>       [176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [178]Markus Gylling: are you ok with producing a version of the
>      Note now
> 16:12:58 <karen> ...in a week or so?
>
>       [178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [179]Karen Myers: ...in a week or so?
>      [180]←
> 16:13:06 <karen> Rob: I can try for within a week
>
>       [179] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [181]Robert Sanderson:  I can try for within a week
>      [182]Markus Gylling: we spend time today looking at the wiki
>      about we have and don't
> 16:13:28 <karen> ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it
>    further
> [183]
>
>       [181] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [183] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look
>      at it further [184]←
> 16:13:35 <Suzanne> q+
>
>      [185]Suzanne Taylor: q+ [186]←
> 16:13:40 <karen> ...and then following week produce first draft version
> of the Note
>
>       [185] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>
>      [187]Karen Myers: ...and then following week produce first
>      draft version of the Note
> 16:13:45 <karen> Rob: my only concern with that
>
>       [187] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [188]Robert Sanderson: : my only concern with that
> 16:14:00 <karen> ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that
> don't get agreed upon in the IG
> [189]
>
>       [188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [189] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases
>      that don't get agreed upon in the IG [190]←
> 16:14:08 <karen> ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy
>
>      [191]Karen Myers: ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is
>      easy [192]←
> 16:14:13 <tmichel>  first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor
> 's document ?
>
>       [191] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [193]Thierry Michel: first draft version of the Note I guess is
>      an editor's document ? [194]←
> 16:14:20 <karen> ...but if it's tracking down more references, that coul
> d be complicated
>
>       [193] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      [195]Karen Myers: ...but if it's tracking down more references,
>      that could be complicated [196]←
> 16:14:34 <karen> Markus: if everything goes well by next Monday, we shou
> ld have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
>
>       [195] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [197]Markus Gylling: if everything goes well by next Monday, we
>      should have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
> 16:14:41 <karen> ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
> [198]
>
>       [197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [198] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
>      [199]←
>      [200]Robert Sanderson: if we can do it in that timeframe, that
>      would be fantastic
> 16:15:00 <karen> Markus: yes, it might take longer, but we have been thr
> ough it before
>
>       [200] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [201]Markus Gylling: yes, it might take longer, but we have
>      been through it before
> 16:15:10 <karen> ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints
> [202]
>
>       [201] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [202] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...I would be surprised to see a storm of
>      complaints [203]←
> 16:15:21 <karen> Thierry: the first document we will produce is a first
> draft Editor's document
>
>      [204]Thierry Michel: the first document we will produce is a
>      first draft Editor's document
> 16:15:29 <karen> ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note
>
>       [204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel

>
>      [205]Karen Myers: ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C
>      Note [206]←
>      [207]Karen Myers: ...and sooner or later we can republish that
>      Note when we want to add changes there [208]←
> 16:15:44 <karen> Markus: right
>
>       [205] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [207] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [209]Markus Gylling: right
> 16:15:50 <karen> ack Suszanne
>
>       [209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [210]Suzanne Taylor: there are accessibility implications for
>      annotations
> 16:16:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting

>
>       [210] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>
>      [211]Suzanne Taylor:
>      [212]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [213]←
> 16:16:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
>
>       [211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>       [212] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting

>
>      [214]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [215]←
> 16:16:29 <karen> ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility
>    task force had time to look over the annotations carefully
>
>       [214] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      [216]Karen Myers: ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in
>      accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations
>      carefully [217]←
> 16:16:38 <karen> ...with view about making annotations themselves access
> ible
>
>       [216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      ...with view about making annotations themselves accessible
>      [218]←
> 16:16:47 <karen> ...We are at a conference this week and would need more
>    days next week
> [219]
>
>       [219] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...We are at a conference this week and would need
>      more days next week
>      [220]Markus Gylling: yes, maybe we should...
>      [221]Markus Gylling:
>      [222]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re

>      ading_and_Annotations [223]←
> 16:17:00 <karen> ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
>
>       [220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [221] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [222]
> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations

>
>      [224]Karen Myers: ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
>      [225]←
> 16:17:09 <karen> ...you jumped straight into what we have now
>
>       [224] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [226]Karen Myers: ...you jumped straight into what we have now
>      [227]←
> 16:17:17 <karen> ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case
>
>       [226] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [228]Karen Myers: ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last
>      use case [229]←
> 16:17:27 <gcapiel> I agree.  Thanks Suzzane
>
>       [228] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [230]Gerardo Capiel: I agree. Thanks Suzzane
>      [231]←
> 16:17:34 <karen> ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing
>
>       [230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [232]Karen Myers: ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use
>      bearing [233]←
> 16:17:40 <karen> ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
>
>       [232] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [234]Karen Myers: ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
>      [235]←
> 16:17:44 <karen> ...on a scale from one to 100
>
>       [234] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [236]Karen Myers: ...on a scale from one to 100 [237]←
> 16:17:48 <karen> Rob: 95
> [238]
>
>       [236] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      Robert Sanderson:  95
>      [239]Karen Myers: ...it pretty much covers what the CG has
>      discussed [240]←
> 16:18:06 <karen> ...one or two things which are part of the current spec
> ification
>
>       [239] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [241]Karen Myers:: ...one or two things which are part of the
>      current specification [242]←
> 16:18:15 <karen> ...that there were use cases for but they were very spe
> cific
>
>       [241] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [243]Karen Myers: ...that there were use cases for but they
>      were very specific [244]←
> 16:18:22 <karen> ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in pu
> blishing domain
>
>       [243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [245]Karen Myers: ...cannot think of anything that made them
>      useful in publishing domain [246]←
> 16:18:29 <karen> ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases
>
>       [245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [247]Karen Myers: ...A few things not in CG such as packages
>      use cases [248]←
> 16:18:42 <karen> ...and recording the state of user manipulated resource
> s is not covered
>
>       [247] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [249]Karen Myers:...and recording the state of user manipulated
>      resources is not covered [250]←
> 16:18:47 <karen> ...that is far too complicated to come out
>
>       [249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>
>      [251]Karen Myers: ...that is far too complicated to come out
>      [252]←
> 16:19:01 <karen> Markus: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions
> we have had here and within the EPUB WG
>
>       [251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [253]Markus Gylling: yes, I see a bunch that comes from
>      discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG
> 16:19:08 <karen> ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other
>
>       [253] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [254]Karen Myers: ...the packaging of annotations as well as
>      under other [255]←
> 16:19:09 <Zakim> -lizadaly
>
>       [254] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [256]←
> 16:19:15 <lizadaly> argh
>
>      [257]Liza Daly: argh [258]←
> 16:19:20 <karen> ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work
> [259]
>
>       [257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly

>       [259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB
>      work [260]←
> 16:19:24 <karen> Rob: huge jump slightly
>
>      [261]Robert Sanderson:  huge jump slightly
> 16:19:40 <mgylling> q?
>
>       [261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [262]Markus Gylling: q? [263]←
> 16:19:42 <Zakim> +lizadaly
>
>       [262] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +lizadaly [264]←
> 16:19:43 <karen> ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annota
> tions is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both
> [265]
>
>       [265] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of
>      annotations is an accessibility use case, an annotations use
>      case, or both [266]←
> 16:19:52 <karen> Suzanne: I worry...most important thing
>
>      [267]Suzanne Taylor: I worry...most important thing
> 16:19:58 <karen> ...is that actual interface be accessible
>
>       [267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>
>      [268]Karen Myers: ...is that actual interface be accessible
>      [269]←
> 16:20:08 <karen> ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a
> second releasea
>
>       [268] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [270]Karen Myers: ...if we keep it only in accessibility it
>      will be in a second releasea [271]←
> 16:20:20 <karen> ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if po
> ssible
>
>       [270] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [272]Karen Myers: ...I would like to see it in the annotations
>      work if possible [273]←
> 16:20:24 <karen> Gerardo: I totally agree
>
>       [272] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [274]Gerardo Capiel: I totally agree
> 16:20:44 <karen> ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass
> with [example Hypothes.is]
>
>       [274] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [275]Karen Myers: ...accessibility was not thought through in
>      first pass with [example Hypothes.is] [276]←
> 16:20:49 <karen> ...description, post production
>
>       [275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [277]Karen Myers: ...description, post production [278]←
> 16:21:13 <karen> Markus: we got that you agree with Suzanne
>
>       [277] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [279]Markus Gylling: we got that you agree with Suzanne
> 16:21:22 <karen> ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Ro
> b?
>
>       [279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [280]Karen Myers:: ...So is that an easy item for you to carry
>      in here, Rob? [281]←
> 16:21:40 <karen> Rob: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns,
> but happy to work with people who are
> [282]
>
>       [280] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [282] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      Robert Sanderson:  I am not at all versed in accessibility
>      concerns, but happy to work with people who are
> 16:21:47 <karen> ...I could not draft a first version of that requiremen
> t
>
>      [283]Karen Myers: ...I could not draft a first version of that
>      requirement [284]←
> 16:21:49 <karen> Markus: right
>
>       [283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [285]Markus Gylling: right
> 16:22:00 <karen> ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not t
> alking about interface properties
> [286]
>
>       [285] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...if we look at your collection right now, it is
>      not talking about interface properties [287]←
>      [288]Karen Myers:...talking about the data itself, not the
>      interface [289]←
>      [290]Robert Sanderson: one does touch on interface
> 16:22:20 <gcapiel> Sorry, on train.  I was just saying that annotations
> are very applicable for post-production image description and descriptio
> n of other visual elements.  Also, it seems that accessibility has been
> an afterthought with existing solutions.
>
>       [288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [290] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [291]Gerardo Capiel: Sorry, on train. I was just saying that
>      annotations are very applicable for post-production image
>      description and description of other visual elements. Also, it
>      seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing
>      solutions. [292]←
> 16:22:23 <karen> ...maintaining interface style
>
>       [291] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [293]Karen Myers: ...maintaining interface style [294]←
> 16:22:29 <karen> ...draw in white vs black
>
>       [293] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [295]Karen Myers: ...draw in white vs black [296]←
> 16:22:42 <karen> ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up u
> seful text
> [297]
>
>       [295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover
>      up useful text [298]←
> 16:22:56 <karen> ...those are related to the user experience, if not rel
> ated to the user interface
> [299]
>
>       [299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...those are related to the user experience, if
>      not related to the user interface [300]←
> 16:23:10 <karen> Suzanne: I would suggest that the accessibility task fo
> rce read through and add small comments
>
>      [301]Suzanne Taylor: I would suggest that the accessibility
>      task force read through and add small comments
> 16:23:24 <karen> ...and then we add one additional use case which descri
> bes the recommended functionality
>
>       [301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>
>      [302]Karen Myers: ...and then we add one additional use case
>      which describes the recommended functionality [303]←
>      [304]Karen Myers: ...or requirements [305]←
> 16:23:41 <karen> ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move
>    over to annotations area
>
>       [302] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [304] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>
>      [306]Karen Myers: ...we have an initial draft and could vet
>      that and move over to annotations area [307]←
> 16:23:54 <karen> Markus: in terms of the accessibility task force review
> , what date can we set for you?
>
>       [306] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [308]Markus Gylling: in terms of the accessibility task force
>      review, what date can we set for you?
> 16:24:05 <karen> ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is tha
> t overly optimistic?
>
>       [308] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [309]Karen Myers: ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday,
>      or is that overly optimistic? [310]←
> 16:24:11 <karen> Gerardo: I can work on the plane
>
>       [309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [311]Gerardo Capiel: I can work on the plane
>
>       [311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [312]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I would like to look at it, but
>      have people in Austin this week
> 16:24:33 <karen> ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early ne
> xt week
> [313]
>
>       [312] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>       [313] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...so could not get to it until the weekend or
>      early next week [314]←
> 16:24:42 <karen> Suzanne: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd;
>    maybe the 5th
>
>      [315]Suzanne Taylor: I would have trouble getting to it by the
>      3rd; maybe the 5th
> 16:24:47 <karen> Markus: ok, that sounds good
> [316]
>
>       [315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>       [316] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Markus Gylling: ok, that sounds good
> 16:25:05 <karen> Action: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibi
> lity review by 4 February
>
>      ACTION: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibility
>      review by 4 February [317]←
> 16:25:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'Suzanne,'. You can review and registe
> r nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
>
>      Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'Suzanne,'. You can review and
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>      <[318]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. [319]←
> 16:25:17 <karen> ack Bill
> [320]
>
>       [318] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users%3E.

>       [320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ack Bill [321]←
> 16:25:28 <gcapiel> There's some discussion of this topic during an Acces
> sibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the
> annotations work http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-bor

> n-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
>
>      [322]Gerardo Capiel: There's some discussion of this topic
>      during an Accessibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who
>      has been involved in the annotations work
>      [323]http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-a

>      ccessible-sprint.html?m=1 [324]←
> 16:25:28 <karen> Bill: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
>
>       [322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>       [323]
> http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-accessible-sprint.html?m=1

>
>      [325]Bill Kasdorf: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
> 16:25:39 <karen> ...there are also metadata implications for the annotat
> ions spec
> [326]
>
>       [325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>       [326] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...there are also metadata implications for the
>      annotations spec [327]←
> 16:25:48 <karen> ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility
>
>      [328]Karen Myers: ...but our situation is the opposite of
>      accessibility [329]←
>      [330]Karen Myers: ...metadata should take into account the
>      finished state [331]←...rather than delay things [332]←
> 16:26:13 <karen> ...metadata responds to use cases for implications
>
>       [328] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [330] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [333]Karen Myers: ...metadata responds to use cases for
>      implications [334]←
> 16:26:24 <karen> Rob: What do people think about scope of metadata?
> [335]
>
>       [333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      Robert Sanderson:  What do people think about scope of
>      metadata?
> 16:26:34 <karen> Bill: you are involved intimately in both
>
>      [336]Bill Kasdorf: you are involved intimately in both
> 16:26:51 <karen> Rob: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for
>    metadata as well as publications, or both?
>
>       [336] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      [337]Robert Sanderson:  Should metadata task force discuss
>      annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both?
> 16:27:03 <karen> Markus: Bill?
>
>       [337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [338]Markus Gylling: Bill?
> 16:27:09 <karen> Bill: waiting for others to respond
>
>       [338] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [339]Bill Kasdorf: waiting for others to respond
> 16:27:15 <karen> ...I think there will be blurred lines there
>
>       [339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      [340]Karen Myers: ...I think there will be blurred lines there
>      [341]←
> 16:27:24 <karen> ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basi
> c publication
>
>       [340] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [342]Karen Myers: ...publications...whether regarding
>      annotations or basic publication [343]←
> 16:27:34 <karen> ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation
>    issues are clarified
>
>       [342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [344]Karen Myers: ...we can responsibly address them after the
>      annotation issues are clarified [345]←
>      [346]Karen Myers: ...we would not be driving annotations use
>      cases, but some use cases could arise [347]←
> 16:27:51 <karen> Markus: ok, good
>
>       [344] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [346] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [348]Markus Gylling: ok, good
> 16:27:55 <lizadaly> q?
>
>       [348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>
>      [349]Liza Daly: q? [350]←
> 16:28:02 <azaroth> ack azaroth
>
>       [349] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly

>
>      [351]Robert Sanderson: ack azaroth [352]←
> 16:28:17 <karen> Markus: in terms of timing
>
>       [351] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [353]Markus Gylling: in terms of timing
> 16:28:28 <karen> ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed
>
>       [353] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [354]Karen Myers: ....by 5th the accessibility review is
>      completed [355]←
> 16:28:35 <karen> ...so we can target February 10
>
>       [354] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [356]Karen Myers: ...so we can target February 10 [357]←
> 16:28:48 <karen> ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing
>    to have first draft for review
>
>       [356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [358]Karen Myers: ...which would be our first opportunity for
>      IG blessing to have first draft for review [359]←
> 16:28:55 <karen> ...and review is not only for accessibility folks
>
>       [358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [360]Karen Myers: ...and review is not only for accessibility
>      folks [361]←
> 16:29:05 <karen> ...please feel free to provide your input in the next w
> eek
>
>       [360] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [362]Karen Myers: ...please feel free to provide your input in
>      the next week [363]←
> 16:29:07 <Zakim> -fjh
>
>       [362] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [364]←
> 16:29:16 <karen> ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we re
> ad through this?
>
>      [365]Karen Myers: ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on
>      when we read through this? [366]←
> 16:29:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
>
>       [365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [367]←
> 16:29:26 <karen> ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been
>    thinkign about?
>
>      [368]Karen Myers: ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you
>      have been thinkign about? [369]←
> 16:29:29 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
>
>       [368] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [370]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [371]←
> 16:29:29 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
>
>       [370] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [372]←
> 16:29:31 <karen> Rob: I don't think so
>
>      [373]Robert Sanderson:  I don't think so
> 16:29:43 <karen> ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones
>    just due to use case fatigue
>
>       [373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>
>      [374]Karen Myers: ...the later use cases are weaker than the
>      earlier ones just due to use case fatigue [375]←
> 16:29:49 <karen> ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome
>
>       [374] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [376]Karen Myers: ...any comments and suggestions are very
>      welcome [377]←
> 16:29:56 <karen> Markus: the queue is empty
>
>       [376] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [378]Markus Gylling: the queue is empty
> 16:30:11 <karen> ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we ar
> e ready to move onto the next agenda item
>
>       [378] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [379]Karen Myers: ...if there are not more comments on
>      annotations, we are ready to move onto the next agenda item
>      [380]←
>      [381]Karen Myers: ...I'm glad we have Gerardo and Suzanne here
>      [382]←
> 16:30:30 <karen> ...as the next item relates to accessibility
>
>       [379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [383]Karen Myers: ...as the next item relates to accessibility
>      [384]←
>      [385]Karen Myers: ...and we have Rich here as well [386]←
> 16:30:39 <karen> ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
>
>       [383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [387]Karen Myers: ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
>      [388]Richard Schwerdtfeger: one of things we agreed to do is to
>      create some modules off of ARIA to apply additional semantics
>      to assistive technologies through browsers
> 16:31:09 <karen> ...make structural semantics available through ARIA
>
>       [387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [388] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>      [389]Karen Myers: ...make structural semantics available
>      through ARIA [390]←
>      [391]Karen Myers: ...we would need to have some people from
>      this IG part of that effort [392]←
> 16:31:32 <karen> ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate
>
>       [389] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [391] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [393]Karen Myers: ...and coordinate with main WG and
>      collaborate [394]←
>      [395]Karen Myers:...We would start with structural semantics
>      [396]←
> 16:31:45 <karen> ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing
>
>       [393] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [395] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [397]Karen Myers:: ...we don't want to slow down the work
>      others are doing
> 16:31:56 <karen> ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the
> editing
>
>       [397] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [398]Karen Myers: ...Would be great if someone could volunteer
>      to do the editing [399]←
> 16:32:00 <karen> ...does that summarzie?
>
>       [398] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [400]Karen Myers: ...does that summarzie?
>      [401]Markus Gylling: yes; what timeline?
>      [402]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Depends how fast we move and get
>      things implemented
> 16:32:27 <karen> ...you have done most of work, you have defined semanti
> cs
> [403]
>
>       [400] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [401] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [402] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>       [403] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...you have done most of work, you have defined
>      semantics [404]←
> 16:32:33 <karen> ...main thing is to get out to browsers
>
>      [405]Karen Myers: ...main thing is to get out to browsers
>      [406]←
> 16:32:41 <karen> ...biggest thing is getting to CR
>
>       [405] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [407]Karen Myers: ...biggest thing is getting to CR [408]←
> 16:32:46 <karen> ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next eyar
>
>       [407] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [409]Karen Myers: ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next year
>      [410]←
> 16:33:00 <karen> ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but
>    I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen
>
>       [409] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [411]Karen Myers: ...I don't know if we can do it in that time
>      frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to
>      happen
>      [412]Karen Myers: ...I work with many assistive technology
>      vendors
>      [413]Gerardo Capiel: Some of this also came out [414]←
> 16:33:21 <karen> ...from @
>
>       [411] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [412] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [413] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [415]Karen Myers: ...from @ [416]←
> 16:33:29 <karen> ...when we had discussion with SVG WG
>
>       [415] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [417]Karen Myers: ...when we had discussion with SVG WG [418]←
> 16:33:33 <karen> ...graphs in SVG
>
>       [417] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [419]Karen Myers: ...graphs in SVG [420]←
> 16:33:39 <karen> ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
>
>       [419] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [421]Karen Myers: ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
>      [422]←
> 16:33:45 <karen> ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it
> [423]
>
>       [421] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [423] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it [424]←
> 16:33:52 <karen> ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
>
>      [425]Karen Myers: ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
>      [426]Richard Schwerdtfeger: We also agreed to form a module for
>      graphics
>
>       [425] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [426] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
> 16:34:09 <karen> ...as long as that's not an issue
>
>      [427]Karen Myers: ...as long as that's not an issue [428]←
> 16:34:12 <karen> Gerardo: perfect
>
>       [427] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [429]Gerardo Capiel: perfect
>      [430]Markus Gylling: We have @ from ETS
> 16:34:27 <karen> ...is that possible for 1.1?
>
>       [429] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>       [430] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [431]Karen Myers: ...is that possible for 1.1? [432]←
>      [433]Karen Myers: we are full up [434]←
> 16:34:41 <karen> ...I would have to take that back to the working group
> [435]
>
>       [431] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [433] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [435] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...I would have to take that back to the working
>      group [436]←
> 16:34:46 <karen> ...were you thinking TI?
>
>      [437]Karen Myers: ...were you thinking TI? [438]←
> 16:34:58 <karen> Markus: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking
>
>       [437] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [439]Markus Gylling: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been
>      thinking
> 16:35:04 <karen> Laura: Mark has been working with you
>
>       [439] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [440]Laura Fowler: Mark has been working with you
> 16:35:10 <karen> ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
>
>       [440] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler

>
>      [441]Karen Myers: ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
>      [442]←
> 16:35:15 <karen> Markus: right
>
>       [441] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [443]Markus Gylling: right
>      [444]Laura Fowler: I don't know how far he has gotten with that
> 16:35:26 <gcapiel> To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles
> to aid SVG sonification
>
>       [443] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [444] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler

>
>      [445]Gerardo Capiel: To add to minutes, I'm referring to using
>      ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification [446]←
> 16:35:29 <karen> ...or how ready he would be
>
>       [445] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel

>
>      [447]Karen Myers: ...or how ready he would be [448]←
> 16:35:44 <karen> Markus: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2
>
>       [447] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [449]Markus Gylling: we hope to clarify parts of that at
>      EDUPUB2
>      [450]Karen Myers: ...if I understand there are two modules
>      agreed [451]←
> 16:36:02 <karen> ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics
>
>       [449] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [450] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [452]Karen Myers: ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks
>      semantics [453]←
>      [454]Karen Myers: ...your call for participation and editor is
>      for both? [455]←
>      [456]Karen Myers:...or epub ones?
>      [457]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I want to meet with Doug and
>      Gerardo at EDUPUB 2
> 16:36:35 <karen> ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
>
>       [452] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [454] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [456] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [457] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>      [458]Karen Myers: ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
>      M[459]arkus Gylling: If anyone wants to sign up for this
>      module, make yourself heard
> 16:36:58 <Suzanne> I will volunteer to participate
>
>       [458] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [459] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [460]Suzanne Taylor: I will volunteer to participate [461]←
> 16:37:00 <karen> ...I plan to join but would love to have more people sh
> owing up
>
>       [460] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor

>
>      [462]Karen Myers: ...I plan to join but would love to have more
>      people showing up [463]←
> 16:37:15 <karen> ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week?
>
>       [462] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [464]Karen Myers: ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last
>      week?
>      [465]Richard Schwerdtfeger: we're looking at test cases and the
>      2.0 timeline as well
> 16:37:34 <karen> Markus: seeing that we have a little extra time
>
>       [464] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [465] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>      [466]Markus Gylling: seeing that we have a little extra time
> 16:37:59 <karen> ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attr
> ibutes    16:37:50 <karen> ...One of things that's going on, is that IDP
> F and epub is looking for a more native solution to express structural s
> emantics[467]Karen
>                 Myers: ...One of things
>         that's going on, is that IDPF and epub is looking for a more nativ
> e
>         solution to express structural semantics [468]←
>
>       [466] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [467] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
> [469]
>
>       [469] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type
>      attributes [470]←
> 16:38:17 <karen> ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not
>    name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack
>
>      [471]Karen Myers: ...we are exploring options to move away from
>      that, not name-space based, but something more native based to
>      browser stack [472]←
> 16:38:20 <karen> ...a couple solutions
>
>       [471] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [473]Karen Myers: ...a couple solutions [474]←
> 16:38:26 <karen> ..have been suggestions
> [475]
>
>       [473] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [475] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers:..have been suggestions [476]←
> 16:38:34 <karen> ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
>
>      [477]Karen Myers: ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
>      [478]←
>      [479]Karen Myers:...another option is to make the rule
>      attributes less @ centric and more generic [480]←
> 16:39:05 <karen> ...Is that right Rich?
>
>       [477] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [479] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [481]Karen Myers: ...Is that right Rich?
>      [482]Richard Schwerdtfeger: yes, as long as it does not break
>      accessibility
> 16:39:28 <karen> ...services...then I don't see an issue
>
>       [481] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [482] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>      [483]Karen Myers: ...services...then I don't see an issue
>      [484]Markus Gylling: this means there are two avenues to look
>      into
> 16:39:42 <karen> ...this IG is only partially involved here
>
>       [483] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [484] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [485]Karen Myers: ...this IG is only partially involved here
>      [486]Karen Myers:...serving as a bridge to these discussions
>      [487]←
> 16:40:00 <karen> ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happ
> en with HTML5 folks and the TF
>
>       [485] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [486] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [488]Karen Myers: ...but sounds more like a discussion that
>      needs to happen with HTML5 folks and the TF [489]←
> 16:40:08 <karen> ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
>
>       [488] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [490]Karen Myers: ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
> 16:40:12 <karen> ...great
> [491]
>
>       [490] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [491] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...great [492]←
> 16:40:22 <karen> ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for parti
> cipation
>
>      [493]Karen Myers: ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call
>      for participation [494]←
> 16:40:32 <karen> ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for ne
> xt week's call
>
>       [493] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [495]Karen Myers: ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign
>      up for next week's call
> 16:40:36 <karen> ...with a week to think about this
>
>       [495] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [496]Karen Myers: ...with a week to think about this
>      [497]Richard Schwerdtfeger: that's perfect [timeline]
>      [498]Markus Gylling: final agenda item is the focus task force
>      for next meeting
> 16:41:02 <karen> ...I wrote to two of them
>
>       [496] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [497] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>       [498] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [499]Karen Myers:: ...I wrote to two of them [500]←
> 16:41:12 <karen> ...I see some in a pretty early state
>
>       [499] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [501]Karen Myers: ...I see some in a pretty early state [502]←
> 16:41:15 <karen> ...such as metadata
>
>       [501] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [503]Karen Myers:...such as metadata [504]←
> 16:41:23 <karen> ...Bill, Brady, what do you think?
>
>       [503] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [505]Karen Myers: ...Bill, Brady, what do you think? [506]←
> 16:41:36 <karen> Bill: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata i
> f group wants to do that
> [507]
>
>       [505] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [507] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      Bill Kasdorf: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata
>      if group wants to do that
> 16:41:45 <karen> ...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be a
> s well
>
>      [508]Karen Myers:...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi
>      would be as well [509]←
> 16:41:57 <karen> ...It did just get started up
>
>       [508] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [510]Karen Myers: ...It did just get started up [511]←
> 16:42:11 <karen> ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid ge
> tting into specifics, and focus on scope
>
>       [510] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [512]Karen Myers: ...if we devote next week's meeting, we
>      should avoid getting into specifics, and focus on scope [513]←
> 16:42:22 <karen> ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata disc
> ussions
>
>       [512] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [514]Karen Myers: ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the
>      metadata discussions [515]←
> 16:42:28 <karen> ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions
>
>       [514] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [516]Karen Myers:: ...what became immediately clear on wiki
>      discussions [517]←
>      [518]Karen Myers: ...is the importance of emphasizing the what
>      rather than the how [519]←
> 16:42:41 <karen> ...the mechanisms and solutions
>
>       [516] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [518] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [520]Karen Myers: ...the mechanisms and solutions [521]←
> 16:42:50 <karen> ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies
>
>       [520] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [522]Karen Myers: ...lots of details about metadata
>      vocabularies [523]←
> 16:42:55 <karen> Brady: on the pagination side
>
>       [522] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [524]Brady Duga: on the pagination side
> 16:43:02 <karen> ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group
>
>       [524] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>
>      [525]Karen Myers: ...I don't remember agreeing to head this
>      group [526]←
> 16:43:09 <karen> ...I may have been nominated for it
>
>       [525] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [527]Karen Myers: ...I may have been nominated for it [528]←
> 16:43:18 <karen> ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations
>
>       [527] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>
>      [529]Karen Myers: ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral
>      adaptations [530]←
> 16:43:29 <karen> ...but don't recall heading that group
>
>       [529] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [531]Karen Myers: ...but don't recall heading that group [532]←
> 16:43:31 <karen> Markus: that is right
>
>       [531] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>
>      [533]Markus Gylling: that is right
> 16:43:39 <karen> ...you took action to add DOM pagination
>
>       [533] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>
>      [534]Karen Myers: ...you took action to add DOM pagination
>      [535]←
>      [536]Karen Myers:...I am to blame for elevating you to task
>      force lead [537]←
> 16:43:49 <brady_duga> Sorry, deadzone
>
>       [534] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>       [536] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [538]Brady Duga: Sorry, deadzone [539]←
> 16:43:52 <brady_duga> I dropped
>
>       [538] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>
>      [540]Brady Duga: I dropped [541]←
> 16:43:54 <karen> ...this is an important area
>
>       [540] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>
>      [542]Karen Myers: ...this is an important area [543]←
> 16:44:07 <karen> ...even if we change the task force lead to someone els
> e, we still need to get going
>
>       [542] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [544]Karen Myers: ...even if we change the task force lead to
>      someone else, we still need to get going [545]←
> 16:44:16 <karen> Bill: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
>
>       [544] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [546]Bill Kasdorf: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
> 16:44:24 <karen> ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki
>
>       [546] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf

>
>      [547]Karen Myers: ...we have a framework for discussion on the
>      wiki [548]←
>      [549]Karen Myers:...but if next week is better used for @ I am
>      happy to defer [550]←
> 16:44:51 <karen> Markus: I think we are good to go with metadata next we
> ek
>
>       [547] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [549] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [551]Markus Gylling: I think we are good to go with metadata
>      next week
> 16:44:59 <karen> ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination
> [552]
>
>       [551] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [552] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...and Brady and I can sort things out on
>      pagination [553]←
> 16:45:07 <karen> Brady: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
>
>      [554]Brady Duga: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
> 16:45:20 <karen> ...will be a strength to that section and I'll particip
> ate in that group
>
>       [554] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>
>      [555]Karen Myers: ...will be a strength to that section and
>      I'll participate in that group [556]←
> 16:45:23 <karen> ...On a side note
>
>       [555] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [557]Karen Myers: ...On a side note [558]←
> 16:45:33 <karen> ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading syst
> em authors there
>
>       [557] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [559]Karen Myers: ...adding something to wiki, we don't have
>      reading system authors there [560]←
> 16:45:46 <karen> Markus: that is still open-ended
>
>       [559] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [561]Markus Gylling: that is still open-ended
>      [562]Karen Myers: ...if you find yourself in corner, feel free
>      to add it [563]←
> 16:46:04 <karen> Brady: just add it and it appears?
>
>       [561] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [562] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [564]Brady Duga: just add it and it appears?
> 16:46:05 <karen> Markus: yes
>
>       [564] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga

>
>      [565]Markus Gylling: yes
> 16:46:12 <karen> ...I think we are settled and done for the day?
>
>       [565] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      [566]Karen Myers: ...I think we are settled and done for the
>      day? [567]←
> 16:46:16 <karen> ...Any other business?
>
>       [566] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [568]Karen Myers: ...Any other business? [569]←
> 16:46:21 <karen> ...super
>
>       [568] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [570]Karen Myers: ...super [571]←
> 16:46:30 <karen> ...please recall your review of the annotations collect
> ions warmly welcome
>
>       [570] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [572]Karen Myers:...please recall your review of the
>      annotations collections warmly welcome [573]←
> 16:46:45 <karen> ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review
>    from an accessibility perspective
>
>       [572] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [574]Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a
>      dedicated review from an accessibility perspective
>      [575]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Are there any other aspects of
>      annotation being included?
> 16:47:02 <karen> ...I saw a mark
>
>       [574] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [575] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>      [576]Karen Myers: ...I saw a mark [577]←
> 16:47:04 <Zakim> -duga
>
>       [576] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -duga [578]←
> 16:47:11 <karen> ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
>
>      [579]Karen Myers: ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
>      [580]←
> 16:47:19 <karen> Markus: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation
> CG
>
>       [579] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [581]Markus Gylling: Maybe you are not aware of the open
>      annotation CG
> 16:47:23 <karen> ...you mentioned at the PF call
> [582]
>
>       [581] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [582] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...you mentioned at the PF call [583]←
> 16:47:29 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/

>
>      [584]Robert Sanderson:
>      [585]http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [586]←
> 16:47:31 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Soc

> ial_Reading_and_Annotations
>
>       [584] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [585] http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/

>
>      [587]Markus Gylling:
>      [588]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re

>      ading_and_Annotations [589]←
> 16:47:34 <karen> Markus: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of th
> at
>
>       [587] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [588]
> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations

>
>      [590]Markus Gylling: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair
>      of that
> 16:47:40 <Zakim> -fjh
>
>       [590] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [591]←
> 16:47:45 <karen> ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track
>    version of open annotations
>
>      [592]Karen Myers: ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a
>      rec track version of open annotations
>      [593]Karen Myers: ...and epub also working on integrating
>      [594]←
> 16:47:58 <karen> ...you may want to read in on that
> [595]
>
>       [592] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [593] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>       [595] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...you may want to read in on that [596]←
>      [597]Karen Myers:...good opportunity for an inverted long desk
>      [598]←
> 16:48:21 <karen> Rob: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an
>    email; happy to do what I can
>
>       [597] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      [599]Robert Sanderson:  if there is anything I can do to help,
>      shoot me an email; happy to do what I can
>      M[600]arkus Gylling: any other questions?
> 16:48:34 <karen> ...thank you for today
> [601]
>
>       [599] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson

>       [600] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling

>       [601] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers: ...thank you for today [602]←
> 16:48:38 <karen> ...thank you, Karen for scribing
>
>      [603]Karen Myers: ...thank you, Karen for scribing
> 16:48:39 <Zakim> -gcapiel
>
>       [603] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel [604]←
> 16:48:40 <Zakim> -lizadaly
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [605]←
> 16:48:40 <Zakim> -mgylling
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling [606]←
> 16:48:41 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aabb
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.336.aabb [607]←
> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -dshkolnik
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -dshkolnik [608]←
> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Vlad
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad [609]←
> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
>
>      Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf [610]←
> 16:48:43 <karen> ...meeting adjourned
> [611]
>
>       [611] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers

>
>      Karen Myers:...meeting adjourned
>      [612]Richard Schwerdtfeger: (handle)42@gmail.com
> 17:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Marilyn, in DPUB_DP
> UBIG()11:00AM
>        __________________________________________________________
>
>       [612] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger

>
>

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