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Hi Thierry, Minutes are badly formatted and cannot be read. Could it be fixed? Thanks, Luc -----Message d'origine----- De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org] Envoyé : mardi 28 janvier 2014 10:52 À : W3C Digital Publishing IG Objet : [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference Hi all, The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2014-01-27 are now available at http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27 These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience. Best, Thierry Michel ---------------------------- Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference Minutes of 27 January 2014 Agenda [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig /2014Jan/0033.html [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0033.html Present [2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bill Kasdorf, [4]Brady Duga, [5]Dave Cramer, [6]Dmitry Shkolnik, [7]Frederick Hirsch, [8]Gerardo Capiel, [9]Ivan Herman, [10]Jean Kaplansky, [11]Julie Morris, [12]Laura Fowler, [13]Liam Quin, [14]Liza Daly, [15]Luc Audrain, [16]Markus Gylling, [17]Phil Madans, [18]Richard Schwerdtfeger, [19]Robert Sanderson, [20]Suzanne Taylor, [21]Thierry Michel, [22]Tom De Nies, [23]Karen Myers, [24]Vladimir Levantovsky [2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns [3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer [6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik [7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch [8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman [10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky [11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris [12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler [13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin [14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly [15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain [16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans [18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel [22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies [23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky Regrets [25]Dave Cramer, [26]Ivan Herman, [27]Alan Stearns, [28]Liam Quin, [29]Luc Audrain, [30]Phil Madans, [31]Tom De Nies [25] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer [26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman [27] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns [28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin [29] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain [30] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans [31] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies Scribe [32]Karen Myers [32] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers IRC Log [33]Original [33] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-dpub-irc Resolutions None. Topics 1. [34]Approval of previous meeting minutes 2. [35]Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note [36]Liza Daly: Yes [37]← 15:59:44 <karen> zakim, code? [36] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly [38]Markus Gylling: Karen, ok to scribe? [39]← 16:00:30 <Zakim> +duga [38] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: +duga [40]← 16:00:38 <Zakim> +??P21 Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 [41]← 16:00:47 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [42]← 16:00:52 <tmichel> zakim, ??P21 is me [43]Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P21 is me [44]← 16:00:52 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it [43] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [45]← 16:01:23 <mgylling> zakim, who is here [46]Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here [47]← 16:01:23 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?' [46] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, you need to end that query with '?' [48]← 16:01:35 <mgylling> zakim, aadd is LFowler [49]Markus Gylling: zakim, aadd is LFowler [50]← 16:01:35 <Zakim> +LFowler; got it [49] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: +LFowler; got it [51]← 16:01:41 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ? [52]Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? [53]← 16:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylli ng, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Kare n_Myers [52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Karen_Myers [54]← 16:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, az aroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss, Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, azaroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss, [55]← 16:01:43 <Zakim> ... trackbot Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot [56]← 16:02:01 <tmichel> wHO IS 1.646.336.aabb , [57]Thierry Michel: who is 1.646.336.aabb , [58]← 16:02:22 <Zakim> +??P31 [57] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 [59]← 16:02:24 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky [60]← 16:02:28 <Zakim> +AWK Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [61]← 16:02:35 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers 16:02:50 <Zakim> +Marilyn Zakim IRC Bot: +Marilyn [62]← 16:02:53 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P31 is me [63]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P31 is me [64]← 16:02:53 <tmichel> IS ??P31 JeanKaplansky OR Karen_Myers , [65] [63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [65] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel Thierry Michel: is ??P31 Jean Kaplansky or Karen Myers , [66]← 16:02:54 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [67]← 16:03:16 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik [68]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik [69]← 16:03:16 <Zakim> +dshkolnik; got it [68] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik Zakim IRC Bot: +dshkolnik; got it [70]← 16:03:18 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [71]← 16:03:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [72]← 16:03:23 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me [73]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [74]← 16:03:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it [73] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [75]← 16:03:29 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 16:03:47 <karen> Markus: Let's get going [76]Markus Gylling: Let's get going [77]Julie Morris: I'm at a 646 number 16:04:03 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris [76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [77] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris [78]Markus Gylling: Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris [79]← 16:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling [78] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling [80]← 16:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaee Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaee [81]← 16:04:29 <karen> Markus: Thierry, if you can assign that to Julie [82] [82] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...Welcome everyone [83]← 16:04:41 <mgylling> regrets: Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Lia m Quin, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Tom De Nies 16:04:41 <tmichel> Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris [84]Thierry Michel: Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris [85]← 16:04:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tm ichel [84] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tmichel [86]← 16:04:41 <karen> ...We have Karen scribing today [87]Karen Myers: ...We have Karen scribing today [88]Karen Myers: ...and registering regrets [89]← [90]Karen Myers: ...Short agenda for today [91]← 16:05:03 <karen> ...As you know, we are running these focused themes wit h the task forces [87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [88] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [90] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [92]Karen Myers: ...As you know, we are running these focused themes with the task forces [93]← 16:05:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf [92] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf [94]← 16:05:16 <karen> ...We don't have a new task force today because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations [95]Karen Myers: ...We don't have a new task force today because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations [96]← [97]Karen Myers: ...But on this call we'll decide what task force to review next week [98]← 16:05:34 <karen> ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our ca lls [95] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [99]Karen Myers: ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our calls [100]← [101]Karen Myers: ...Rich, can you say a few words? [102]← 16:05:47 <karen> Rich: I am CTO for IBM software [99] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [103]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am CTO for Accessibility for IBM software B[104]ill Kasdorf: has Julie from BISG been introduced? [105]← 16:05:52 <karen> ...and chair the ARIA standards effort [103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [104] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [106]Karen Myers: ...and chair the ARIA standards effort [107]← 16:06:01 <tmichel> topic: Approval of previous meeting minutes [106] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers 1. Approval of previous meeting minutes 16:06:14 <karen> Markus: Last week's minutes are published [108]Markus Gylling: Last week's minutes are published 16:06:19 <karen> ...any objections to accepting them? [108] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [109]Karen Myers: ...any objections to accepting them? [110]← 16:06:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/CTO/CTO for Accessibility/ 16:06:33 <tmichel> topic: Annotations TF: planning for publishing requir ements as Note [109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers 2. Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note 16:06:51 <karen> Markus: there is work underway to propose the formation of a working track working group [111]Markus Gylling: there is work underway to propose the formation of a working track working group 16:07:01 <karen> ...of the open annotations community group [112] [111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [112] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...of the open annotations community group [113]← 16:07:15 <karen> ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so th ey can be used and referenced by the WG [114]Karen Myers: ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so they can be used and referenced by the WG [115]← 16:07:26 <karen> ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context? [114] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [116]Karen Myers: ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context? [117]← 16:07:35 <karen> Rob: in order to ensure all the requirements in the IG are met [116] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [118]Robert Sanderson: in order to ensure all the requirements of the IG are met [119]Karen Myers: ...in the WG process [120]← 16:07:58 <karen> ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirel y finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now [118] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [121]Karen Myers: ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirely finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now [122]Markus Gylling: To do this, the first thing to keep in mind 16:08:13 <karen> ...is that this is the process all the task forces will go through [121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [122] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [123]Karen Myers: ...is that this is the process all the task forces will go through [124]← 16:08:23 <azaroth> s/in the IG/of the IG/ 16:08:25 <karen> ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task Force work [123] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [125]Karen Myers: ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task Force work [126]← 16:08:29 <azaroth> s/and the WG/in the WG/ 16:08:36 <karen> ...we expect taht they will formalize in Note documents [127] [125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...we expect that they will formalize in Note documents [128]← 16:08:49 <karen> ...It looks like annotations task force will take the n ext steps in this sequence first [129]Karen Myers: ...It looks like annotations task force will take the next steps in this sequence first [130]← [131]Karen Myers: ...but we want to clarify with the sequence first [132]← 16:09:03 <karen> ...And hope Karen can help us [129] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [131] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [133]Karen Myers: ...And hope Karen can help us [134]← 16:09:17 <karen> ...basically I think there is the following steps [133] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [135]Karen Myers: ...basically I think there is the following steps [136]← 16:09:21 <karen> ...let me throw them out here [135] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [137]Karen Myers: ...let me throw them out here [138]← 16:09:34 <karen> ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find [137] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [139]Karen Myers:: ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find [140]← 16:09:46 <karen> ...Second step is that the task force produces a first version of the Note document [139] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [141]Karen Myers: ...Second step is that the task force produces a first version of the Note document [142]← 16:09:51 <karen> ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage [141] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [143]Karen Myers: ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage [144]← 16:10:03 <karen> ...and likely use Respect and JS to produce a Note [143] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [145]Karen Myers: ...and likely use ReSpec JS to produce a Note [146]← [147]Karen Myers: ...at that point, it is the IG's first public draft [148]← 16:10:26 <karen> ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time [145] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [147] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [149]Karen Myers: ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time [150]← [151]Karen Myers: ...let's say it's one month [152]← 16:10:43 <azaroth> s/Respect and JS/ReSpec JS/ 16:10:43 <karen> ...And once the comment period is done and edits are do ne, we are ready to publish the Note [149] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [151] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [153]Karen Myers: ...And once the comment period is done and edits are done, we are ready to publish the Note [154]← 16:10:49 <karen> ...i don't think it's much more complex than that [153] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [155]Karen Myers: ...i don't think it's much more complex than that[156]← 16:10:55 <azaroth> \me http://www.w3.org/respec/ [155] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [157]Robert Sanderson: \me [158]http://www.w3.org/respec/ [159]← 16:11:02 <karen> ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space [160] [157] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [158] http://www.w3.org/respec/ [160] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space [161]← 16:11:44 <karen> Karen: we can review process document...just the time f rame may need checking [162]Karen Myers: we can review process document...just the time frame may need checking 16:12:01 <karen> Markus: We need to be done... [162] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [163]Karen Myers: We need to be done...[164]← 16:12:06 <karen> ...does this sound feasible? [163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [165]Karen Myers: ...does this sound feasible? [166]← 16:12:09 <karen> Rob: yes, that sounds good [167] [165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [167] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson Robert Sanderson: yes, that sounds good 16:12:21 <karen> ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charte rwise that can be discussed by 1 April [168]Karen Myers: ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charterwise that can be discussed by 1 April [169]← 16:12:27 <karen> ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state [168] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [170]Karen Myers: ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state [171]← [172]Karen Myers: ...according to the IG [173]← 16:12:40 <karen> ...about one month or three weeks before the annotation s [170] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [172] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [174]Karen Myers: ...about one month or three weeks before the annotations [175]← 16:12:46 <karen> ...would go three weeks to write the note [174] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [176]Karen Myers: ...would go three weeks to write the note [177]← 16:12:55 <karen> Markus: are you ok with producing a version of the Note now [176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [178]Markus Gylling: are you ok with producing a version of the Note now 16:12:58 <karen> ...in a week or so? [178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [179]Karen Myers: ...in a week or so? [180]← 16:13:06 <karen> Rob: I can try for within a week [179] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [181]Robert Sanderson: I can try for within a week [182]Markus Gylling: we spend time today looking at the wiki about we have and don't 16:13:28 <karen> ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it further [183] [181] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [183] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it further [184]← 16:13:35 <Suzanne> q+ [185]Suzanne Taylor: q+ [186]← 16:13:40 <karen> ...and then following week produce first draft version of the Note [185] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [187]Karen Myers: ...and then following week produce first draft version of the Note 16:13:45 <karen> Rob: my only concern with that [187] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [188]Robert Sanderson: : my only concern with that 16:14:00 <karen> ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that don't get agreed upon in the IG [189] [188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [189] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that don't get agreed upon in the IG [190]← 16:14:08 <karen> ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy [191]Karen Myers: ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy [192]← 16:14:13 <tmichel> first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor 's document ? [191] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [193]Thierry Michel: first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor's document ? [194]← 16:14:20 <karen> ...but if it's tracking down more references, that coul d be complicated [193] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel [195]Karen Myers: ...but if it's tracking down more references, that could be complicated [196]← 16:14:34 <karen> Markus: if everything goes well by next Monday, we shou ld have IG's blessing for all or a subset? [195] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [197]Markus Gylling: if everything goes well by next Monday, we should have IG's blessing for all or a subset? 16:14:41 <karen> ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note [198] [197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [198] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note [199]← [200]Robert Sanderson: if we can do it in that timeframe, that would be fantastic 16:15:00 <karen> Markus: yes, it might take longer, but we have been thr ough it before [200] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [201]Markus Gylling: yes, it might take longer, but we have been through it before 16:15:10 <karen> ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints [202] [201] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [202] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints [203]← 16:15:21 <karen> Thierry: the first document we will produce is a first draft Editor's document [204]Thierry Michel: the first document we will produce is a first draft Editor's document 16:15:29 <karen> ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note [204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel [205]Karen Myers: ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note [206]← [207]Karen Myers: ...and sooner or later we can republish that Note when we want to add changes there [208]← 16:15:44 <karen> Markus: right [205] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [207] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [209]Markus Gylling: right 16:15:50 <karen> ack Suszanne [209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [210]Suzanne Taylor: there are accessibility implications for annotations 16:16:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [210] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [211]Suzanne Taylor: [212]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [213]← 16:16:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+ [211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [212] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [214]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [215]← 16:16:29 <karen> ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations carefully [214] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [216]Karen Myers: ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations carefully [217]← 16:16:38 <karen> ...with view about making annotations themselves access ible [216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers ...with view about making annotations themselves accessible [218]← 16:16:47 <karen> ...We are at a conference this week and would need more days next week [219] [219] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...We are at a conference this week and would need more days next week [220]Markus Gylling: yes, maybe we should... [221]Markus Gylling: [222]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re ading_and_Annotations [223]← 16:17:00 <karen> ...ask people to just navigate to this URL [220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [221] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [222] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations [224]Karen Myers: ...ask people to just navigate to this URL [225]← 16:17:09 <karen> ...you jumped straight into what we have now [224] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [226]Karen Myers: ...you jumped straight into what we have now [227]← 16:17:17 <karen> ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case [226] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [228]Karen Myers: ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case [229]← 16:17:27 <gcapiel> I agree. Thanks Suzzane [228] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [230]Gerardo Capiel: I agree. Thanks Suzzane [231]← 16:17:34 <karen> ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing [230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [232]Karen Myers: ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing [233]← 16:17:40 <karen> ...from CG perspective, how complete is this [232] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [234]Karen Myers: ...from CG perspective, how complete is this [235]← 16:17:44 <karen> ...on a scale from one to 100 [234] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [236]Karen Myers: ...on a scale from one to 100 [237]← 16:17:48 <karen> Rob: 95 [238] [236] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson Robert Sanderson: 95 [239]Karen Myers: ...it pretty much covers what the CG has discussed [240]← 16:18:06 <karen> ...one or two things which are part of the current spec ification [239] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [241]Karen Myers:: ...one or two things which are part of the current specification [242]← 16:18:15 <karen> ...that there were use cases for but they were very spe cific [241] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [243]Karen Myers: ...that there were use cases for but they were very specific [244]← 16:18:22 <karen> ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in pu blishing domain [243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [245]Karen Myers: ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in publishing domain [246]← 16:18:29 <karen> ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases [245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [247]Karen Myers: ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases [248]← 16:18:42 <karen> ...and recording the state of user manipulated resource s is not covered [247] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [249]Karen Myers:...and recording the state of user manipulated resources is not covered [250]← 16:18:47 <karen> ...that is far too complicated to come out [249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [251]Karen Myers: ...that is far too complicated to come out [252]← 16:19:01 <karen> Markus: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG [251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [253]Markus Gylling: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG 16:19:08 <karen> ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other [253] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [254]Karen Myers: ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other [255]← 16:19:09 <Zakim> -lizadaly [254] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [256]← 16:19:15 <lizadaly> argh [257]Liza Daly: argh [258]← 16:19:20 <karen> ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work [259] [257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly [259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work [260]← 16:19:24 <karen> Rob: huge jump slightly [261]Robert Sanderson: huge jump slightly 16:19:40 <mgylling> q? [261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [262]Markus Gylling: q? [263]← 16:19:42 <Zakim> +lizadaly [262] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: +lizadaly [264]← 16:19:43 <karen> ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annota tions is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both [265] [265] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annotations is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both [266]← 16:19:52 <karen> Suzanne: I worry...most important thing [267]Suzanne Taylor: I worry...most important thing 16:19:58 <karen> ...is that actual interface be accessible [267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [268]Karen Myers: ...is that actual interface be accessible [269]← 16:20:08 <karen> ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a second releasea [268] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [270]Karen Myers: ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a second releasea [271]← 16:20:20 <karen> ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if po ssible [270] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [272]Karen Myers: ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if possible [273]← 16:20:24 <karen> Gerardo: I totally agree [272] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [274]Gerardo Capiel: I totally agree 16:20:44 <karen> ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass with [example Hypothes.is] [274] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [275]Karen Myers: ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass with [example Hypothes.is] [276]← 16:20:49 <karen> ...description, post production [275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [277]Karen Myers: ...description, post production [278]← 16:21:13 <karen> Markus: we got that you agree with Suzanne [277] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [279]Markus Gylling: we got that you agree with Suzanne 16:21:22 <karen> ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Ro b? [279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [280]Karen Myers:: ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Rob? [281]← 16:21:40 <karen> Rob: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns, but happy to work with people who are [282] [280] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [282] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson Robert Sanderson: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns, but happy to work with people who are 16:21:47 <karen> ...I could not draft a first version of that requiremen t [283]Karen Myers: ...I could not draft a first version of that requirement [284]← 16:21:49 <karen> Markus: right [283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [285]Markus Gylling: right 16:22:00 <karen> ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not t alking about interface properties [286] [285] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not talking about interface properties [287]← [288]Karen Myers:...talking about the data itself, not the interface [289]← [290]Robert Sanderson: one does touch on interface 16:22:20 <gcapiel> Sorry, on train. I was just saying that annotations are very applicable for post-production image description and descriptio n of other visual elements. Also, it seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing solutions. [288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [290] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [291]Gerardo Capiel: Sorry, on train. I was just saying that annotations are very applicable for post-production image description and description of other visual elements. Also, it seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing solutions. [292]← 16:22:23 <karen> ...maintaining interface style [291] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [293]Karen Myers: ...maintaining interface style [294]← 16:22:29 <karen> ...draw in white vs black [293] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [295]Karen Myers: ...draw in white vs black [296]← 16:22:42 <karen> ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up u seful text [297] [295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up useful text [298]← 16:22:56 <karen> ...those are related to the user experience, if not rel ated to the user interface [299] [299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...those are related to the user experience, if not related to the user interface [300]← 16:23:10 <karen> Suzanne: I would suggest that the accessibility task fo rce read through and add small comments [301]Suzanne Taylor: I would suggest that the accessibility task force read through and add small comments 16:23:24 <karen> ...and then we add one additional use case which descri bes the recommended functionality [301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [302]Karen Myers: ...and then we add one additional use case which describes the recommended functionality [303]← [304]Karen Myers: ...or requirements [305]← 16:23:41 <karen> ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move over to annotations area [302] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [304] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [306]Karen Myers: ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move over to annotations area [307]← 16:23:54 <karen> Markus: in terms of the accessibility task force review , what date can we set for you? [306] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [308]Markus Gylling: in terms of the accessibility task force review, what date can we set for you? 16:24:05 <karen> ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is tha t overly optimistic? [308] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [309]Karen Myers: ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is that overly optimistic? [310]← 16:24:11 <karen> Gerardo: I can work on the plane [309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [311]Gerardo Capiel: I can work on the plane [311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [312]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I would like to look at it, but have people in Austin this week 16:24:33 <karen> ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early ne xt week [313] [312] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [313] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early next week [314]← 16:24:42 <karen> Suzanne: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd; maybe the 5th [315]Suzanne Taylor: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd; maybe the 5th 16:24:47 <karen> Markus: ok, that sounds good [316] [315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [316] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Markus Gylling: ok, that sounds good 16:25:05 <karen> Action: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibi lity review by 4 February ACTION: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibility review by 4 February [317]← 16:25:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'Suzanne,'. 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[320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ack Bill [321]← 16:25:28 <gcapiel> There's some discussion of this topic during an Acces sibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the annotations work http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-bor n-accessible-sprint.html?m=1 [322]Gerardo Capiel: There's some discussion of this topic during an Accessibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the annotations work [323]http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-a ccessible-sprint.html?m=1 [324]← 16:25:28 <karen> Bill: I put that on when Suzanne first commented [322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [323] http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-accessible-sprint.html?m=1 [325]Bill Kasdorf: I put that on when Suzanne first commented 16:25:39 <karen> ...there are also metadata implications for the annotat ions spec [326] [325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [326] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...there are also metadata implications for the annotations spec [327]← 16:25:48 <karen> ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility [328]Karen Myers: ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility [329]← [330]Karen Myers: ...metadata should take into account the finished state [331]←...rather than delay things [332]← 16:26:13 <karen> ...metadata responds to use cases for implications [328] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [330] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [333]Karen Myers: ...metadata responds to use cases for implications [334]← 16:26:24 <karen> Rob: What do people think about scope of metadata? [335] [333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson Robert Sanderson: What do people think about scope of metadata? 16:26:34 <karen> Bill: you are involved intimately in both [336]Bill Kasdorf: you are involved intimately in both 16:26:51 <karen> Rob: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both? [336] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [337]Robert Sanderson: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both? 16:27:03 <karen> Markus: Bill? [337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [338]Markus Gylling: Bill? 16:27:09 <karen> Bill: waiting for others to respond [338] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [339]Bill Kasdorf: waiting for others to respond 16:27:15 <karen> ...I think there will be blurred lines there [339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [340]Karen Myers: ...I think there will be blurred lines there [341]← 16:27:24 <karen> ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basi c publication [340] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [342]Karen Myers: ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basic publication [343]← 16:27:34 <karen> ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation issues are clarified [342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [344]Karen Myers: ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation issues are clarified [345]← [346]Karen Myers: ...we would not be driving annotations use cases, but some use cases could arise [347]← 16:27:51 <karen> Markus: ok, good [344] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [346] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [348]Markus Gylling: ok, good 16:27:55 <lizadaly> q? [348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [349]Liza Daly: q? [350]← 16:28:02 <azaroth> ack azaroth [349] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly [351]Robert Sanderson: ack azaroth [352]← 16:28:17 <karen> Markus: in terms of timing [351] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [353]Markus Gylling: in terms of timing 16:28:28 <karen> ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed [353] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [354]Karen Myers: ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed [355]← 16:28:35 <karen> ...so we can target February 10 [354] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [356]Karen Myers: ...so we can target February 10 [357]← 16:28:48 <karen> ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing to have first draft for review [356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [358]Karen Myers: ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing to have first draft for review [359]← 16:28:55 <karen> ...and review is not only for accessibility folks [358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [360]Karen Myers: ...and review is not only for accessibility folks [361]← 16:29:05 <karen> ...please feel free to provide your input in the next w eek [360] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [362]Karen Myers: ...please feel free to provide your input in the next week [363]← 16:29:07 <Zakim> -fjh [362] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [364]← 16:29:16 <karen> ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we re ad through this? [365]Karen Myers: ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we read through this? [366]← 16:29:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] [365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [367]← 16:29:26 <karen> ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been thinkign about? [368]Karen Myers: ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been thinkign about? [369]← 16:29:29 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me [368] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [370]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [371]← 16:29:29 <Zakim> +fjh; got it [370] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [372]← 16:29:31 <karen> Rob: I don't think so [373]Robert Sanderson: I don't think so 16:29:43 <karen> ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones just due to use case fatigue [373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [374]Karen Myers: ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones just due to use case fatigue [375]← 16:29:49 <karen> ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome [374] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [376]Karen Myers: ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome [377]← 16:29:56 <karen> Markus: the queue is empty [376] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [378]Markus Gylling: the queue is empty 16:30:11 <karen> ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we ar e ready to move onto the next agenda item [378] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [379]Karen Myers: ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we are ready to move onto the next agenda item [380]← [381]Karen Myers: ...I'm glad we have Gerardo and Suzanne here [382]← 16:30:30 <karen> ...as the next item relates to accessibility [379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [383]Karen Myers: ...as the next item relates to accessibility [384]← [385]Karen Myers: ...and we have Rich here as well [386]← 16:30:39 <karen> ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize [383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [387]Karen Myers: ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize [388]Richard Schwerdtfeger: one of things we agreed to do is to create some modules off of ARIA to apply additional semantics to assistive technologies through browsers 16:31:09 <karen> ...make structural semantics available through ARIA [387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [388] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [389]Karen Myers: ...make structural semantics available through ARIA [390]← [391]Karen Myers: ...we would need to have some people from this IG part of that effort [392]← 16:31:32 <karen> ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate [389] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [391] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [393]Karen Myers: ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate [394]← [395]Karen Myers:...We would start with structural semantics [396]← 16:31:45 <karen> ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing [393] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [395] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [397]Karen Myers:: ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing 16:31:56 <karen> ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the editing [397] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [398]Karen Myers: ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the editing [399]← 16:32:00 <karen> ...does that summarzie? [398] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [400]Karen Myers: ...does that summarzie? [401]Markus Gylling: yes; what timeline? [402]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Depends how fast we move and get things implemented 16:32:27 <karen> ...you have done most of work, you have defined semanti cs [403] [400] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [401] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [402] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [403] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...you have done most of work, you have defined semantics [404]← 16:32:33 <karen> ...main thing is to get out to browsers [405]Karen Myers: ...main thing is to get out to browsers [406]← 16:32:41 <karen> ...biggest thing is getting to CR [405] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [407]Karen Myers: ...biggest thing is getting to CR [408]← 16:32:46 <karen> ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next eyar [407] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [409]Karen Myers: ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next year [410]← 16:33:00 <karen> ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen [409] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [411]Karen Myers: ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen [412]Karen Myers: ...I work with many assistive technology vendors [413]Gerardo Capiel: Some of this also came out [414]← 16:33:21 <karen> ...from @ [411] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [412] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [413] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [415]Karen Myers: ...from @ [416]← 16:33:29 <karen> ...when we had discussion with SVG WG [415] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [417]Karen Myers: ...when we had discussion with SVG WG [418]← 16:33:33 <karen> ...graphs in SVG [417] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [419]Karen Myers: ...graphs in SVG [420]← 16:33:39 <karen> ...need for additional ARIA roles came up [419] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [421]Karen Myers: ...need for additional ARIA roles came up [422]← 16:33:45 <karen> ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it [423] [421] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [423] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it [424]← 16:33:52 <karen> ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2 [425]Karen Myers: ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2 [426]Richard Schwerdtfeger: We also agreed to form a module for graphics [425] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [426] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger 16:34:09 <karen> ...as long as that's not an issue [427]Karen Myers: ...as long as that's not an issue [428]← 16:34:12 <karen> Gerardo: perfect [427] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [429]Gerardo Capiel: perfect [430]Markus Gylling: We have @ from ETS 16:34:27 <karen> ...is that possible for 1.1? [429] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [430] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [431]Karen Myers: ...is that possible for 1.1? [432]← [433]Karen Myers: we are full up [434]← 16:34:41 <karen> ...I would have to take that back to the working group [435] [431] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [433] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [435] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...I would have to take that back to the working group [436]← 16:34:46 <karen> ...were you thinking TI? [437]Karen Myers: ...were you thinking TI? [438]← 16:34:58 <karen> Markus: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking [437] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [439]Markus Gylling: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking 16:35:04 <karen> Laura: Mark has been working with you [439] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [440]Laura Fowler: Mark has been working with you 16:35:10 <karen> ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB [440] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler [441]Karen Myers: ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB [442]← 16:35:15 <karen> Markus: right [441] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [443]Markus Gylling: right [444]Laura Fowler: I don't know how far he has gotten with that 16:35:26 <gcapiel> To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification [443] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [444] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler [445]Gerardo Capiel: To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification [446]← 16:35:29 <karen> ...or how ready he would be [445] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel [447]Karen Myers: ...or how ready he would be [448]← 16:35:44 <karen> Markus: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2 [447] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [449]Markus Gylling: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2 [450]Karen Myers: ...if I understand there are two modules agreed [451]← 16:36:02 <karen> ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics [449] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [450] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [452]Karen Myers: ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics [453]← [454]Karen Myers: ...your call for participation and editor is for both? [455]← [456]Karen Myers:...or epub ones? [457]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I want to meet with Doug and Gerardo at EDUPUB 2 16:36:35 <karen> ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop [452] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [454] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [456] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [457] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [458]Karen Myers: ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop M[459]arkus Gylling: If anyone wants to sign up for this module, make yourself heard 16:36:58 <Suzanne> I will volunteer to participate [458] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [459] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [460]Suzanne Taylor: I will volunteer to participate [461]← 16:37:00 <karen> ...I plan to join but would love to have more people sh owing up [460] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor [462]Karen Myers: ...I plan to join but would love to have more people showing up [463]← 16:37:15 <karen> ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week? [462] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [464]Karen Myers: ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week? [465]Richard Schwerdtfeger: we're looking at test cases and the 2.0 timeline as well 16:37:34 <karen> Markus: seeing that we have a little extra time [464] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [465] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [466]Markus Gylling: seeing that we have a little extra time 16:37:59 <karen> ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attr ibutes 16:37:50 <karen> ...One of things that's going on, is that IDP F and epub is looking for a more native solution to express structural s emantics[467]Karen Myers: ...One of things that's going on, is that IDPF and epub is looking for a more nativ e solution to express structural semantics [468]← [466] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [467] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [469] [469] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attributes [470]← 16:38:17 <karen> ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack [471]Karen Myers: ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack [472]← 16:38:20 <karen> ...a couple solutions [471] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [473]Karen Myers: ...a couple solutions [474]← 16:38:26 <karen> ..have been suggestions [475] [473] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [475] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers:..have been suggestions [476]← 16:38:34 <karen> ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5 [477]Karen Myers: ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5 [478]← [479]Karen Myers:...another option is to make the rule attributes less @ centric and more generic [480]← 16:39:05 <karen> ...Is that right Rich? [477] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [479] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [481]Karen Myers: ...Is that right Rich? [482]Richard Schwerdtfeger: yes, as long as it does not break accessibility 16:39:28 <karen> ...services...then I don't see an issue [481] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [482] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [483]Karen Myers: ...services...then I don't see an issue [484]Markus Gylling: this means there are two avenues to look into 16:39:42 <karen> ...this IG is only partially involved here [483] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [484] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [485]Karen Myers: ...this IG is only partially involved here [486]Karen Myers:...serving as a bridge to these discussions [487]← 16:40:00 <karen> ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happ en with HTML5 folks and the TF [485] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [486] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [488]Karen Myers: ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happen with HTML5 folks and the TF [489]← 16:40:08 <karen> ...any more questions regarding PF and roles? [488] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [490]Karen Myers: ...any more questions regarding PF and roles? 16:40:12 <karen> ...great [491] [490] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [491] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...great [492]← 16:40:22 <karen> ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for parti cipation [493]Karen Myers: ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for participation [494]← 16:40:32 <karen> ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for ne xt week's call [493] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [495]Karen Myers: ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for next week's call 16:40:36 <karen> ...with a week to think about this [495] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [496]Karen Myers: ...with a week to think about this [497]Richard Schwerdtfeger: that's perfect [timeline] [498]Markus Gylling: final agenda item is the focus task force for next meeting 16:41:02 <karen> ...I wrote to two of them [496] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [497] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [498] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [499]Karen Myers:: ...I wrote to two of them [500]← 16:41:12 <karen> ...I see some in a pretty early state [499] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [501]Karen Myers: ...I see some in a pretty early state [502]← 16:41:15 <karen> ...such as metadata [501] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [503]Karen Myers:...such as metadata [504]← 16:41:23 <karen> ...Bill, Brady, what do you think? [503] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [505]Karen Myers: ...Bill, Brady, what do you think? [506]← 16:41:36 <karen> Bill: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata i f group wants to do that [507] [505] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [507] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf Bill Kasdorf: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata if group wants to do that 16:41:45 <karen> ...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be a s well [508]Karen Myers:...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be as well [509]← 16:41:57 <karen> ...It did just get started up [508] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [510]Karen Myers: ...It did just get started up [511]← 16:42:11 <karen> ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid ge tting into specifics, and focus on scope [510] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [512]Karen Myers: ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid getting into specifics, and focus on scope [513]← 16:42:22 <karen> ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata disc ussions [512] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [514]Karen Myers: ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata discussions [515]← 16:42:28 <karen> ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions [514] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [516]Karen Myers:: ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions [517]← [518]Karen Myers: ...is the importance of emphasizing the what rather than the how [519]← 16:42:41 <karen> ...the mechanisms and solutions [516] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [518] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [520]Karen Myers: ...the mechanisms and solutions [521]← 16:42:50 <karen> ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies [520] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [522]Karen Myers: ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies [523]← 16:42:55 <karen> Brady: on the pagination side [522] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [524]Brady Duga: on the pagination side 16:43:02 <karen> ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group [524] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [525]Karen Myers: ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group [526]← 16:43:09 <karen> ...I may have been nominated for it [525] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [527]Karen Myers: ...I may have been nominated for it [528]← 16:43:18 <karen> ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations [527] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [529]Karen Myers: ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations [530]← 16:43:29 <karen> ...but don't recall heading that group [529] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [531]Karen Myers: ...but don't recall heading that group [532]← 16:43:31 <karen> Markus: that is right [531] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [533]Markus Gylling: that is right 16:43:39 <karen> ...you took action to add DOM pagination [533] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [534]Karen Myers: ...you took action to add DOM pagination [535]← [536]Karen Myers:...I am to blame for elevating you to task force lead [537]← 16:43:49 <brady_duga> Sorry, deadzone [534] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [536] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [538]Brady Duga: Sorry, deadzone [539]← 16:43:52 <brady_duga> I dropped [538] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [540]Brady Duga: I dropped [541]← 16:43:54 <karen> ...this is an important area [540] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [542]Karen Myers: ...this is an important area [543]← 16:44:07 <karen> ...even if we change the task force lead to someone els e, we still need to get going [542] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [544]Karen Myers: ...even if we change the task force lead to someone else, we still need to get going [545]← 16:44:16 <karen> Bill: I am happy to have call focus on metadata [544] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [546]Bill Kasdorf: I am happy to have call focus on metadata 16:44:24 <karen> ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki [546] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf [547]Karen Myers: ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki [548]← [549]Karen Myers:...but if next week is better used for @ I am happy to defer [550]← 16:44:51 <karen> Markus: I think we are good to go with metadata next we ek [547] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [549] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [551]Markus Gylling: I think we are good to go with metadata next week 16:44:59 <karen> ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination [552] [551] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [552] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination [553]← 16:45:07 <karen> Brady: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki [554]Brady Duga: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki 16:45:20 <karen> ...will be a strength to that section and I'll particip ate in that group [554] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [555]Karen Myers: ...will be a strength to that section and I'll participate in that group [556]← 16:45:23 <karen> ...On a side note [555] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [557]Karen Myers: ...On a side note [558]← 16:45:33 <karen> ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading syst em authors there [557] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [559]Karen Myers: ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading system authors there [560]← 16:45:46 <karen> Markus: that is still open-ended [559] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [561]Markus Gylling: that is still open-ended [562]Karen Myers: ...if you find yourself in corner, feel free to add it [563]← 16:46:04 <karen> Brady: just add it and it appears? [561] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [562] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [564]Brady Duga: just add it and it appears? 16:46:05 <karen> Markus: yes [564] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga [565]Markus Gylling: yes 16:46:12 <karen> ...I think we are settled and done for the day? [565] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [566]Karen Myers: ...I think we are settled and done for the day? [567]← 16:46:16 <karen> ...Any other business? [566] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [568]Karen Myers: ...Any other business? [569]← 16:46:21 <karen> ...super [568] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [570]Karen Myers: ...super [571]← 16:46:30 <karen> ...please recall your review of the annotations collect ions warmly welcome [570] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [572]Karen Myers:...please recall your review of the annotations collections warmly welcome [573]← 16:46:45 <karen> ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review from an accessibility perspective [572] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [574]Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review from an accessibility perspective [575]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Are there any other aspects of annotation being included? 16:47:02 <karen> ...I saw a mark [574] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [575] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger [576]Karen Myers: ...I saw a mark [577]← 16:47:04 <Zakim> -duga [576] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: -duga [578]← 16:47:11 <karen> ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5? [579]Karen Myers: ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5? [580]← 16:47:19 <karen> Markus: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation CG [579] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [581]Markus Gylling: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation CG 16:47:23 <karen> ...you mentioned at the PF call [582] [581] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [582] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...you mentioned at the PF call [583]← 16:47:29 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [584]Robert Sanderson: [585]http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [586]← 16:47:31 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Soc ial_Reading_and_Annotations [584] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [585] http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [587]Markus Gylling: [588]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re ading_and_Annotations [589]← 16:47:34 <karen> Markus: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of th at [587] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [588] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations [590]Markus Gylling: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of that 16:47:40 <Zakim> -fjh [590] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [591]← 16:47:45 <karen> ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track version of open annotations [592]Karen Myers: ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track version of open annotations [593]Karen Myers: ...and epub also working on integrating [594]← 16:47:58 <karen> ...you may want to read in on that [595] [592] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [593] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [595] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...you may want to read in on that [596]← [597]Karen Myers:...good opportunity for an inverted long desk [598]← 16:48:21 <karen> Rob: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an email; happy to do what I can [597] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers [599]Robert Sanderson: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an email; happy to do what I can M[600]arkus Gylling: any other questions? 16:48:34 <karen> ...thank you for today [601] [599] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson [600] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling [601] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers: ...thank you for today [602]← 16:48:38 <karen> ...thank you, Karen for scribing [603]Karen Myers: ...thank you, Karen for scribing 16:48:39 <Zakim> -gcapiel [603] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel [604]← 16:48:40 <Zakim> -lizadaly Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [605]← 16:48:40 <Zakim> -mgylling Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling [606]← 16:48:41 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aabb Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.336.aabb [607]← 16:48:42 <Zakim> -dshkolnik Zakim IRC Bot: -dshkolnik [608]← 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Vlad Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad [609]← 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf [610]← 16:48:43 <karen> ...meeting adjourned [611] [611] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers Karen Myers:...meeting adjourned [612]Richard Schwerdtfeger: (handle)42@gmail.com 17:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Marilyn, in DPUB_DP UBIG()11:00AM __________________________________________________________ [612] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
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