- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:52:00 +0100
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-01-27 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
----------------------------
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
Minutes of 27 January 2014
Agenda
[1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig
/2014Jan/0033.html
[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0033.html
Present
[2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bill Kasdorf, [4]Brady Duga, [5]Dave
Cramer, [6]Dmitry Shkolnik, [7]Frederick Hirsch,
[8]Gerardo Capiel, [9]Ivan Herman, [10]Jean Kaplansky,
[11]Julie Morris, [12]Laura Fowler, [13]Liam Quin,
[14]Liza Daly, [15]Luc Audrain, [16]Markus Gylling,
[17]Phil Madans, [18]Richard Schwerdtfeger, [19]Robert
Sanderson, [20]Suzanne Taylor, [21]Thierry Michel,
[22]Tom De Nies, [23]Karen Myers, [24]Vladimir
Levantovsky
[2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
[7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
[8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
[12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
[13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
[14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
[18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
[23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
Regrets
[25]Dave Cramer, [26]Ivan Herman, [27]Alan Stearns,
[28]Liam Quin, [29]Luc Audrain, [30]Phil Madans, [31]Tom
De Nies
[25] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[27] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
[29] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[30] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
[31] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
Scribe
[32]Karen Myers
[32] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
IRC Log
[33]Original
[33] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-dpub-irc
Resolutions
None.
Topics
1. [34]Approval of previous meeting minutes
2. [35]Annotations TF: planning for publishing
requirements as Note
[36]Liza Daly: Yes [37]←
15:59:44 <karen> zakim, code?
[36] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[38]Markus Gylling: Karen, ok to scribe?
[39]←
16:00:30 <Zakim> +duga
[38] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga [40]←
16:00:38 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 [41]←
16:00:47 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [42]←
16:00:52 <tmichel> zakim, ??P21 is me
[43]Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P21 is me [44]←
16:00:52 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
[43] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [45]←
16:01:23 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
[46]Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here [47]←
16:01:23 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
[46] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
[48]←
16:01:35 <mgylling> zakim, aadd is LFowler
[49]Markus Gylling: zakim, aadd is LFowler [50]←
16:01:35 <Zakim> +LFowler; got it
[49] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +LFowler; got it [51]←
16:01:41 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
[52]Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? [53]←
16:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylli
ng, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Kare
n_Myers
[52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly,
mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad,
duga, tmichel, Karen_Myers [54]←
16:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, az
aroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger,
tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad,
fjh, azaroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga,
richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns,
plinss, [55]←
16:01:43 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot [56]←
16:02:01 <tmichel> wHO IS 1.646.336.aabb ,
[57]Thierry Michel: who is 1.646.336.aabb , [58]←
16:02:22 <Zakim> +??P31
[57] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 [59]←
16:02:24 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky [60]←
16:02:28 <Zakim> +AWK
Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [61]←
16:02:35 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
16:02:50 <Zakim> +Marilyn
Zakim IRC Bot: +Marilyn [62]←
16:02:53 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P31 is me
[63]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P31 is me [64]←
16:02:53 <tmichel> IS ??P31 JeanKaplansky OR Karen_Myers ,
[65]
[63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[65] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Thierry Michel: is ??P31 Jean Kaplansky or Karen Myers , [66]←
16:02:54 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [67]←
16:03:16 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik
[68]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik [69]←
16:03:16 <Zakim> +dshkolnik; got it
[68] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
Zakim IRC Bot: +dshkolnik; got it [70]←
16:03:18 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [71]←
16:03:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [72]←
16:03:23 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
[73]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [74]←
16:03:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
[73] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [75]←
16:03:29 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
16:03:47 <karen> Markus: Let's get going
[76]Markus Gylling: Let's get going
[77]Julie Morris: I'm at a 646 number
16:04:03 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris
[76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[77] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
[78]Markus Gylling: Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris [79]←
16:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling
[78] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris',
mgylling [80]←
16:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaee [81]←
16:04:29 <karen> Markus: Thierry, if you can assign that to Julie
[82]
[82] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...Welcome everyone [83]←
16:04:41 <mgylling> regrets: Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Lia
m Quin, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Tom De Nies
16:04:41 <tmichel> Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris
[84]Thierry Michel: Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris [85]←
16:04:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tm
ichel
[84] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie
Morris', tmichel [86]←
16:04:41 <karen> ...We have Karen scribing today
[87]Karen Myers: ...We have Karen scribing today
[88]Karen Myers: ...and registering regrets [89]←
[90]Karen Myers: ...Short agenda for today [91]←
16:05:03 <karen> ...As you know, we are running these focused themes wit
h the task forces
[87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[88] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[90] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[92]Karen Myers: ...As you know, we are running these focused
themes with the task forces [93]←
16:05:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
[92] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf [94]←
16:05:16 <karen> ...We don't have a new task force today because we have
an urgent matter to cover annotations
[95]Karen Myers: ...We don't have a new task force today
because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations [96]←
[97]Karen Myers: ...But on this call we'll decide what task
force to review next week [98]←
16:05:34 <karen> ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our ca
lls
[95] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[99]Karen Myers: ...We have one person who has not yet made it
to our calls [100]←
[101]Karen Myers: ...Rich, can you say a few words? [102]←
16:05:47 <karen> Rich: I am CTO for IBM software
[99] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[103]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am CTO for Accessibility for IBM
software
B[104]ill Kasdorf: has Julie from BISG been introduced? [105]←
16:05:52 <karen> ...and chair the ARIA standards effort
[103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[104] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[106]Karen Myers: ...and chair the ARIA standards effort [107]←
16:06:01 <tmichel> topic: Approval of previous meeting minutes
[106] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
1. Approval of previous meeting minutes
16:06:14 <karen> Markus: Last week's minutes are published
[108]Markus Gylling: Last week's minutes are published
16:06:19 <karen> ...any objections to accepting them?
[108] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[109]Karen Myers: ...any objections to accepting them? [110]←
16:06:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/CTO/CTO for Accessibility/
16:06:33 <tmichel> topic: Annotations TF: planning for publishing requir
ements as Note
[109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
2. Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note
16:06:51 <karen> Markus: there is work underway to propose the formation
of a working track working group
[111]Markus Gylling: there is work underway to propose the
formation of a working track working group
16:07:01 <karen> ...of the open annotations community group
[112]
[111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[112] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...of the open annotations community group [113]←
16:07:15 <karen> ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so th
ey can be used and referenced by the WG
[114]Karen Myers: ...we are thinking to fast track the
requirements so they can be used and referenced by the WG
[115]←
16:07:26 <karen> ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
[114] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[116]Karen Myers: ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
[117]←
16:07:35 <karen> Rob: in order to ensure all the requirements in the IG
are met
[116] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[118]Robert Sanderson: in order to ensure all the requirements
of the IG are met
[119]Karen Myers: ...in the WG process [120]←
16:07:58 <karen> ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirel
y finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now
[118] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[121]Karen Myers: ...would be great to have the usec cases if
not entirely finished, at least be a lot more formalized than
they are now
[122]Markus Gylling: To do this, the first thing to keep in
mind
16:08:13 <karen> ...is that this is the process all the task forces will
go through
[121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[122] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[123]Karen Myers: ...is that this is the process all the task
forces will go through [124]←
16:08:23 <azaroth> s/in the IG/of the IG/
16:08:25 <karen> ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task
Force work
[123] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[125]Karen Myers: ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of
the Task Force work [126]←
16:08:29 <azaroth> s/and the WG/in the WG/
16:08:36 <karen> ...we expect taht they will formalize in Note documents
[127]
[125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...we expect that they will formalize in Note
documents [128]←
16:08:49 <karen> ...It looks like annotations task force will take the n
ext steps in this sequence first
[129]Karen Myers: ...It looks like annotations task force will
take the next steps in this sequence first [130]←
[131]Karen Myers: ...but we want to clarify with the sequence
first [132]←
16:09:03 <karen> ...And hope Karen can help us
[129] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[131] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[133]Karen Myers: ...And hope Karen can help us [134]←
16:09:17 <karen> ...basically I think there is the following steps
[133] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[135]Karen Myers: ...basically I think there is the following
steps [136]←
16:09:21 <karen> ...let me throw them out here
[135] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[137]Karen Myers: ...let me throw them out here [138]←
16:09:34 <karen> ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill
in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
[137] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[139]Karen Myers:: ...First is that we as an IG go over the
wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
[140]←
16:09:46 <karen> ...Second step is that the task force produces a first
version of the Note document
[139] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[141]Karen Myers: ...Second step is that the task force
produces a first version of the Note document [142]←
16:09:51 <karen> ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
[141] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[143]Karen Myers: ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
[144]←
16:10:03 <karen> ...and likely use Respect and JS to produce a Note
[143] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[145]Karen Myers: ...and likely use ReSpec JS to produce a Note
[146]←
[147]Karen Myers: ...at that point, it is the IG's first public
draft [148]←
16:10:26 <karen> ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and
on the mailing list within a period of time
[145] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[147] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[149]Karen Myers: ...and we accept comments both internally
with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time [150]←
[151]Karen Myers: ...let's say it's one month [152]←
16:10:43 <azaroth> s/Respect and JS/ReSpec JS/
16:10:43 <karen> ...And once the comment period is done and edits are do
ne, we are ready to publish the Note
[149] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[151] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[153]Karen Myers: ...And once the comment period is done and
edits are done, we are ready to publish the Note [154]←
16:10:49 <karen> ...i don't think it's much more complex than that
[153] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[155]Karen Myers: ...i don't think it's much more complex than
that[156]←
16:10:55 <azaroth> \me http://www.w3.org/respec/
[155] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[157]Robert Sanderson: \me [158]http://www.w3.org/respec/
[159]←
16:11:02 <karen> ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
[160]
[157] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[158] http://www.w3.org/respec/
[160] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
[161]←
16:11:44 <karen> Karen: we can review process document...just the time f
rame may need checking
[162]Karen Myers: we can review process document...just the
time frame may need checking
16:12:01 <karen> Markus: We need to be done...
[162] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[163]Karen Myers: We need to be done...[164]←
16:12:06 <karen> ...does this sound feasible?
[163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[165]Karen Myers: ...does this sound feasible? [166]←
16:12:09 <karen> Rob: yes, that sounds good
[167]
[165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[167] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Robert Sanderson: yes, that sounds good
16:12:21 <karen> ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charte
rwise that can be discussed by 1 April
[168]Karen Myers: ...in terms of timing, we need to have
something charterwise that can be discussed by 1 April [169]←
16:12:27 <karen> ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state
[168] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[170]Karen Myers: ...meaning that the Note should be in a good
state [171]←
[172]Karen Myers: ...according to the IG [173]←
16:12:40 <karen> ...about one month or three weeks before the annotation
s
[170] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[172] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[174]Karen Myers: ...about one month or three weeks before the
annotations [175]←
16:12:46 <karen> ...would go three weeks to write the note
[174] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[176]Karen Myers: ...would go three weeks to write the note
[177]←
16:12:55 <karen> Markus: are you ok with producing a version of the Note
now
[176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[178]Markus Gylling: are you ok with producing a version of the
Note now
16:12:58 <karen> ...in a week or so?
[178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[179]Karen Myers: ...in a week or so?
[180]←
16:13:06 <karen> Rob: I can try for within a week
[179] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[181]Robert Sanderson: I can try for within a week
[182]Markus Gylling: we spend time today looking at the wiki
about we have and don't
16:13:28 <karen> ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it
further
[183]
[181] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[183] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look
at it further [184]←
16:13:35 <Suzanne> q+
[185]Suzanne Taylor: q+ [186]←
16:13:40 <karen> ...and then following week produce first draft version
of the Note
[185] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[187]Karen Myers: ...and then following week produce first
draft version of the Note
16:13:45 <karen> Rob: my only concern with that
[187] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[188]Robert Sanderson: : my only concern with that
16:14:00 <karen> ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that
don't get agreed upon in the IG
[189]
[188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[189] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases
that don't get agreed upon in the IG [190]←
16:14:08 <karen> ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy
[191]Karen Myers: ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is
easy [192]←
16:14:13 <tmichel> first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor
's document ?
[191] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[193]Thierry Michel: first draft version of the Note I guess is
an editor's document ? [194]←
16:14:20 <karen> ...but if it's tracking down more references, that coul
d be complicated
[193] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[195]Karen Myers: ...but if it's tracking down more references,
that could be complicated [196]←
16:14:34 <karen> Markus: if everything goes well by next Monday, we shou
ld have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
[195] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[197]Markus Gylling: if everything goes well by next Monday, we
should have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
16:14:41 <karen> ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
[198]
[197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[198] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
[199]←
[200]Robert Sanderson: if we can do it in that timeframe, that
would be fantastic
16:15:00 <karen> Markus: yes, it might take longer, but we have been thr
ough it before
[200] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[201]Markus Gylling: yes, it might take longer, but we have
been through it before
16:15:10 <karen> ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints
[202]
[201] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[202] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...I would be surprised to see a storm of
complaints [203]←
16:15:21 <karen> Thierry: the first document we will produce is a first
draft Editor's document
[204]Thierry Michel: the first document we will produce is a
first draft Editor's document
16:15:29 <karen> ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note
[204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[205]Karen Myers: ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C
Note [206]←
[207]Karen Myers: ...and sooner or later we can republish that
Note when we want to add changes there [208]←
16:15:44 <karen> Markus: right
[205] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[207] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[209]Markus Gylling: right
16:15:50 <karen> ack Suszanne
[209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[210]Suzanne Taylor: there are accessibility implications for
annotations
16:16:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting
[210] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[211]Suzanne Taylor:
[212]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [213]←
16:16:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[212] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting
[214]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [215]←
16:16:29 <karen> ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility
task force had time to look over the annotations carefully
[214] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[216]Karen Myers: ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in
accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations
carefully [217]←
16:16:38 <karen> ...with view about making annotations themselves access
ible
[216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
...with view about making annotations themselves accessible
[218]←
16:16:47 <karen> ...We are at a conference this week and would need more
days next week
[219]
[219] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...We are at a conference this week and would need
more days next week
[220]Markus Gylling: yes, maybe we should...
[221]Markus Gylling:
[222]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re
ading_and_Annotations [223]←
16:17:00 <karen> ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
[220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[221] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[222]
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
[224]Karen Myers: ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
[225]←
16:17:09 <karen> ...you jumped straight into what we have now
[224] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[226]Karen Myers: ...you jumped straight into what we have now
[227]←
16:17:17 <karen> ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case
[226] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[228]Karen Myers: ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last
use case [229]←
16:17:27 <gcapiel> I agree. Thanks Suzzane
[228] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[230]Gerardo Capiel: I agree. Thanks Suzzane
[231]←
16:17:34 <karen> ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing
[230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[232]Karen Myers: ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use
bearing [233]←
16:17:40 <karen> ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
[232] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[234]Karen Myers: ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
[235]←
16:17:44 <karen> ...on a scale from one to 100
[234] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[236]Karen Myers: ...on a scale from one to 100 [237]←
16:17:48 <karen> Rob: 95
[238]
[236] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Robert Sanderson: 95
[239]Karen Myers: ...it pretty much covers what the CG has
discussed [240]←
16:18:06 <karen> ...one or two things which are part of the current spec
ification
[239] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[241]Karen Myers:: ...one or two things which are part of the
current specification [242]←
16:18:15 <karen> ...that there were use cases for but they were very spe
cific
[241] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[243]Karen Myers: ...that there were use cases for but they
were very specific [244]←
16:18:22 <karen> ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in pu
blishing domain
[243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[245]Karen Myers: ...cannot think of anything that made them
useful in publishing domain [246]←
16:18:29 <karen> ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases
[245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[247]Karen Myers: ...A few things not in CG such as packages
use cases [248]←
16:18:42 <karen> ...and recording the state of user manipulated resource
s is not covered
[247] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[249]Karen Myers:...and recording the state of user manipulated
resources is not covered [250]←
16:18:47 <karen> ...that is far too complicated to come out
[249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[251]Karen Myers: ...that is far too complicated to come out
[252]←
16:19:01 <karen> Markus: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions
we have had here and within the EPUB WG
[251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[253]Markus Gylling: yes, I see a bunch that comes from
discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG
16:19:08 <karen> ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other
[253] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[254]Karen Myers: ...the packaging of annotations as well as
under other [255]←
16:19:09 <Zakim> -lizadaly
[254] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [256]←
16:19:15 <lizadaly> argh
[257]Liza Daly: argh [258]←
16:19:20 <karen> ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work
[259]
[257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB
work [260]←
16:19:24 <karen> Rob: huge jump slightly
[261]Robert Sanderson: huge jump slightly
16:19:40 <mgylling> q?
[261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[262]Markus Gylling: q? [263]←
16:19:42 <Zakim> +lizadaly
[262] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +lizadaly [264]←
16:19:43 <karen> ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annota
tions is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both
[265]
[265] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of
annotations is an accessibility use case, an annotations use
case, or both [266]←
16:19:52 <karen> Suzanne: I worry...most important thing
[267]Suzanne Taylor: I worry...most important thing
16:19:58 <karen> ...is that actual interface be accessible
[267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[268]Karen Myers: ...is that actual interface be accessible
[269]←
16:20:08 <karen> ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a
second releasea
[268] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[270]Karen Myers: ...if we keep it only in accessibility it
will be in a second releasea [271]←
16:20:20 <karen> ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if po
ssible
[270] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[272]Karen Myers: ...I would like to see it in the annotations
work if possible [273]←
16:20:24 <karen> Gerardo: I totally agree
[272] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[274]Gerardo Capiel: I totally agree
16:20:44 <karen> ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass
with [example Hypothes.is]
[274] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[275]Karen Myers: ...accessibility was not thought through in
first pass with [example Hypothes.is] [276]←
16:20:49 <karen> ...description, post production
[275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[277]Karen Myers: ...description, post production [278]←
16:21:13 <karen> Markus: we got that you agree with Suzanne
[277] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[279]Markus Gylling: we got that you agree with Suzanne
16:21:22 <karen> ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Ro
b?
[279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[280]Karen Myers:: ...So is that an easy item for you to carry
in here, Rob? [281]←
16:21:40 <karen> Rob: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns,
but happy to work with people who are
[282]
[280] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[282] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Robert Sanderson: I am not at all versed in accessibility
concerns, but happy to work with people who are
16:21:47 <karen> ...I could not draft a first version of that requiremen
t
[283]Karen Myers: ...I could not draft a first version of that
requirement [284]←
16:21:49 <karen> Markus: right
[283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[285]Markus Gylling: right
16:22:00 <karen> ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not t
alking about interface properties
[286]
[285] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...if we look at your collection right now, it is
not talking about interface properties [287]←
[288]Karen Myers:...talking about the data itself, not the
interface [289]←
[290]Robert Sanderson: one does touch on interface
16:22:20 <gcapiel> Sorry, on train. I was just saying that annotations
are very applicable for post-production image description and descriptio
n of other visual elements. Also, it seems that accessibility has been
an afterthought with existing solutions.
[288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[290] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[291]Gerardo Capiel: Sorry, on train. I was just saying that
annotations are very applicable for post-production image
description and description of other visual elements. Also, it
seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing
solutions. [292]←
16:22:23 <karen> ...maintaining interface style
[291] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[293]Karen Myers: ...maintaining interface style [294]←
16:22:29 <karen> ...draw in white vs black
[293] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[295]Karen Myers: ...draw in white vs black [296]←
16:22:42 <karen> ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up u
seful text
[297]
[295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover
up useful text [298]←
16:22:56 <karen> ...those are related to the user experience, if not rel
ated to the user interface
[299]
[299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...those are related to the user experience, if
not related to the user interface [300]←
16:23:10 <karen> Suzanne: I would suggest that the accessibility task fo
rce read through and add small comments
[301]Suzanne Taylor: I would suggest that the accessibility
task force read through and add small comments
16:23:24 <karen> ...and then we add one additional use case which descri
bes the recommended functionality
[301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[302]Karen Myers: ...and then we add one additional use case
which describes the recommended functionality [303]←
[304]Karen Myers: ...or requirements [305]←
16:23:41 <karen> ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move
over to annotations area
[302] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[304] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[306]Karen Myers: ...we have an initial draft and could vet
that and move over to annotations area [307]←
16:23:54 <karen> Markus: in terms of the accessibility task force review
, what date can we set for you?
[306] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[308]Markus Gylling: in terms of the accessibility task force
review, what date can we set for you?
16:24:05 <karen> ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is tha
t overly optimistic?
[308] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[309]Karen Myers: ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday,
or is that overly optimistic? [310]←
16:24:11 <karen> Gerardo: I can work on the plane
[309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[311]Gerardo Capiel: I can work on the plane
[311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[312]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I would like to look at it, but
have people in Austin this week
16:24:33 <karen> ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early ne
xt week
[313]
[312] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[313] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...so could not get to it until the weekend or
early next week [314]←
16:24:42 <karen> Suzanne: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd;
maybe the 5th
[315]Suzanne Taylor: I would have trouble getting to it by the
3rd; maybe the 5th
16:24:47 <karen> Markus: ok, that sounds good
[316]
[315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[316] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Markus Gylling: ok, that sounds good
16:25:05 <karen> Action: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibi
lity review by 4 February
ACTION: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibility
review by 4 February [317]←
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16:25:17 <karen> ack Bill
[320]
[318] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users%3E.
[320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ack Bill [321]←
16:25:28 <gcapiel> There's some discussion of this topic during an Acces
sibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the
annotations work http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-bor
n-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
[322]Gerardo Capiel: There's some discussion of this topic
during an Accessibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who
has been involved in the annotations work
[323]http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-a
ccessible-sprint.html?m=1 [324]←
16:25:28 <karen> Bill: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
[322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[323]
http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
[325]Bill Kasdorf: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
16:25:39 <karen> ...there are also metadata implications for the annotat
ions spec
[326]
[325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[326] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...there are also metadata implications for the
annotations spec [327]←
16:25:48 <karen> ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility
[328]Karen Myers: ...but our situation is the opposite of
accessibility [329]←
[330]Karen Myers: ...metadata should take into account the
finished state [331]←...rather than delay things [332]←
16:26:13 <karen> ...metadata responds to use cases for implications
[328] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[330] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[333]Karen Myers: ...metadata responds to use cases for
implications [334]←
16:26:24 <karen> Rob: What do people think about scope of metadata?
[335]
[333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Robert Sanderson: What do people think about scope of
metadata?
16:26:34 <karen> Bill: you are involved intimately in both
[336]Bill Kasdorf: you are involved intimately in both
16:26:51 <karen> Rob: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for
metadata as well as publications, or both?
[336] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[337]Robert Sanderson: Should metadata task force discuss
annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both?
16:27:03 <karen> Markus: Bill?
[337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[338]Markus Gylling: Bill?
16:27:09 <karen> Bill: waiting for others to respond
[338] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[339]Bill Kasdorf: waiting for others to respond
16:27:15 <karen> ...I think there will be blurred lines there
[339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[340]Karen Myers: ...I think there will be blurred lines there
[341]←
16:27:24 <karen> ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basi
c publication
[340] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[342]Karen Myers: ...publications...whether regarding
annotations or basic publication [343]←
16:27:34 <karen> ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation
issues are clarified
[342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[344]Karen Myers: ...we can responsibly address them after the
annotation issues are clarified [345]←
[346]Karen Myers: ...we would not be driving annotations use
cases, but some use cases could arise [347]←
16:27:51 <karen> Markus: ok, good
[344] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[346] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[348]Markus Gylling: ok, good
16:27:55 <lizadaly> q?
[348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[349]Liza Daly: q? [350]←
16:28:02 <azaroth> ack azaroth
[349] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[351]Robert Sanderson: ack azaroth [352]←
16:28:17 <karen> Markus: in terms of timing
[351] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[353]Markus Gylling: in terms of timing
16:28:28 <karen> ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed
[353] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[354]Karen Myers: ....by 5th the accessibility review is
completed [355]←
16:28:35 <karen> ...so we can target February 10
[354] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[356]Karen Myers: ...so we can target February 10 [357]←
16:28:48 <karen> ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing
to have first draft for review
[356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[358]Karen Myers: ...which would be our first opportunity for
IG blessing to have first draft for review [359]←
16:28:55 <karen> ...and review is not only for accessibility folks
[358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[360]Karen Myers: ...and review is not only for accessibility
folks [361]←
16:29:05 <karen> ...please feel free to provide your input in the next w
eek
[360] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[362]Karen Myers: ...please feel free to provide your input in
the next week [363]←
16:29:07 <Zakim> -fjh
[362] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [364]←
16:29:16 <karen> ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we re
ad through this?
[365]Karen Myers: ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on
when we read through this? [366]←
16:29:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
[365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [367]←
16:29:26 <karen> ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been
thinkign about?
[368]Karen Myers: ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you
have been thinkign about? [369]←
16:29:29 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
[368] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[370]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [371]←
16:29:29 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
[370] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [372]←
16:29:31 <karen> Rob: I don't think so
[373]Robert Sanderson: I don't think so
16:29:43 <karen> ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones
just due to use case fatigue
[373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[374]Karen Myers: ...the later use cases are weaker than the
earlier ones just due to use case fatigue [375]←
16:29:49 <karen> ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome
[374] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[376]Karen Myers: ...any comments and suggestions are very
welcome [377]←
16:29:56 <karen> Markus: the queue is empty
[376] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[378]Markus Gylling: the queue is empty
16:30:11 <karen> ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we ar
e ready to move onto the next agenda item
[378] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[379]Karen Myers: ...if there are not more comments on
annotations, we are ready to move onto the next agenda item
[380]←
[381]Karen Myers: ...I'm glad we have Gerardo and Suzanne here
[382]←
16:30:30 <karen> ...as the next item relates to accessibility
[379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[383]Karen Myers: ...as the next item relates to accessibility
[384]←
[385]Karen Myers: ...and we have Rich here as well [386]←
16:30:39 <karen> ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
[383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[387]Karen Myers: ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
[388]Richard Schwerdtfeger: one of things we agreed to do is to
create some modules off of ARIA to apply additional semantics
to assistive technologies through browsers
16:31:09 <karen> ...make structural semantics available through ARIA
[387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[388] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[389]Karen Myers: ...make structural semantics available
through ARIA [390]←
[391]Karen Myers: ...we would need to have some people from
this IG part of that effort [392]←
16:31:32 <karen> ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate
[389] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[391] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[393]Karen Myers: ...and coordinate with main WG and
collaborate [394]←
[395]Karen Myers:...We would start with structural semantics
[396]←
16:31:45 <karen> ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing
[393] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[395] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[397]Karen Myers:: ...we don't want to slow down the work
others are doing
16:31:56 <karen> ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the
editing
[397] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[398]Karen Myers: ...Would be great if someone could volunteer
to do the editing [399]←
16:32:00 <karen> ...does that summarzie?
[398] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[400]Karen Myers: ...does that summarzie?
[401]Markus Gylling: yes; what timeline?
[402]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Depends how fast we move and get
things implemented
16:32:27 <karen> ...you have done most of work, you have defined semanti
cs
[403]
[400] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[401] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[402] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[403] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...you have done most of work, you have defined
semantics [404]←
16:32:33 <karen> ...main thing is to get out to browsers
[405]Karen Myers: ...main thing is to get out to browsers
[406]←
16:32:41 <karen> ...biggest thing is getting to CR
[405] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[407]Karen Myers: ...biggest thing is getting to CR [408]←
16:32:46 <karen> ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next eyar
[407] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[409]Karen Myers: ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next year
[410]←
16:33:00 <karen> ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but
I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen
[409] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[411]Karen Myers: ...I don't know if we can do it in that time
frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to
happen
[412]Karen Myers: ...I work with many assistive technology
vendors
[413]Gerardo Capiel: Some of this also came out [414]←
16:33:21 <karen> ...from @
[411] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[412] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[413] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[415]Karen Myers: ...from @ [416]←
16:33:29 <karen> ...when we had discussion with SVG WG
[415] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[417]Karen Myers: ...when we had discussion with SVG WG [418]←
16:33:33 <karen> ...graphs in SVG
[417] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[419]Karen Myers: ...graphs in SVG [420]←
16:33:39 <karen> ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
[419] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[421]Karen Myers: ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
[422]←
16:33:45 <karen> ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it
[423]
[421] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[423] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it [424]←
16:33:52 <karen> ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
[425]Karen Myers: ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
[426]Richard Schwerdtfeger: We also agreed to form a module for
graphics
[425] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[426] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
16:34:09 <karen> ...as long as that's not an issue
[427]Karen Myers: ...as long as that's not an issue [428]←
16:34:12 <karen> Gerardo: perfect
[427] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[429]Gerardo Capiel: perfect
[430]Markus Gylling: We have @ from ETS
16:34:27 <karen> ...is that possible for 1.1?
[429] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[430] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[431]Karen Myers: ...is that possible for 1.1? [432]←
[433]Karen Myers: we are full up [434]←
16:34:41 <karen> ...I would have to take that back to the working group
[435]
[431] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[433] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[435] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...I would have to take that back to the working
group [436]←
16:34:46 <karen> ...were you thinking TI?
[437]Karen Myers: ...were you thinking TI? [438]←
16:34:58 <karen> Markus: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking
[437] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[439]Markus Gylling: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been
thinking
16:35:04 <karen> Laura: Mark has been working with you
[439] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[440]Laura Fowler: Mark has been working with you
16:35:10 <karen> ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
[440] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
[441]Karen Myers: ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
[442]←
16:35:15 <karen> Markus: right
[441] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[443]Markus Gylling: right
[444]Laura Fowler: I don't know how far he has gotten with that
16:35:26 <gcapiel> To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles
to aid SVG sonification
[443] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[444] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
[445]Gerardo Capiel: To add to minutes, I'm referring to using
ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification [446]←
16:35:29 <karen> ...or how ready he would be
[445] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[447]Karen Myers: ...or how ready he would be [448]←
16:35:44 <karen> Markus: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2
[447] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[449]Markus Gylling: we hope to clarify parts of that at
EDUPUB2
[450]Karen Myers: ...if I understand there are two modules
agreed [451]←
16:36:02 <karen> ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics
[449] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[450] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[452]Karen Myers: ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks
semantics [453]←
[454]Karen Myers: ...your call for participation and editor is
for both? [455]←
[456]Karen Myers:...or epub ones?
[457]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I want to meet with Doug and
Gerardo at EDUPUB 2
16:36:35 <karen> ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
[452] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[454] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[456] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[457] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[458]Karen Myers: ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
M[459]arkus Gylling: If anyone wants to sign up for this
module, make yourself heard
16:36:58 <Suzanne> I will volunteer to participate
[458] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[459] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[460]Suzanne Taylor: I will volunteer to participate [461]←
16:37:00 <karen> ...I plan to join but would love to have more people sh
owing up
[460] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[462]Karen Myers: ...I plan to join but would love to have more
people showing up [463]←
16:37:15 <karen> ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week?
[462] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[464]Karen Myers: ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last
week?
[465]Richard Schwerdtfeger: we're looking at test cases and the
2.0 timeline as well
16:37:34 <karen> Markus: seeing that we have a little extra time
[464] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[465] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[466]Markus Gylling: seeing that we have a little extra time
16:37:59 <karen> ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attr
ibutes 16:37:50 <karen> ...One of things that's going on, is that IDP
F and epub is looking for a more native solution to express structural s
emantics[467]Karen
Myers: ...One of things
that's going on, is that IDPF and epub is looking for a more nativ
e
solution to express structural semantics [468]←
[466] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[467] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[469]
[469] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type
attributes [470]←
16:38:17 <karen> ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not
name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack
[471]Karen Myers: ...we are exploring options to move away from
that, not name-space based, but something more native based to
browser stack [472]←
16:38:20 <karen> ...a couple solutions
[471] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[473]Karen Myers: ...a couple solutions [474]←
16:38:26 <karen> ..have been suggestions
[475]
[473] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[475] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers:..have been suggestions [476]←
16:38:34 <karen> ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
[477]Karen Myers: ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
[478]←
[479]Karen Myers:...another option is to make the rule
attributes less @ centric and more generic [480]←
16:39:05 <karen> ...Is that right Rich?
[477] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[479] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[481]Karen Myers: ...Is that right Rich?
[482]Richard Schwerdtfeger: yes, as long as it does not break
accessibility
16:39:28 <karen> ...services...then I don't see an issue
[481] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[482] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[483]Karen Myers: ...services...then I don't see an issue
[484]Markus Gylling: this means there are two avenues to look
into
16:39:42 <karen> ...this IG is only partially involved here
[483] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[484] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[485]Karen Myers: ...this IG is only partially involved here
[486]Karen Myers:...serving as a bridge to these discussions
[487]←
16:40:00 <karen> ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happ
en with HTML5 folks and the TF
[485] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[486] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[488]Karen Myers: ...but sounds more like a discussion that
needs to happen with HTML5 folks and the TF [489]←
16:40:08 <karen> ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
[488] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[490]Karen Myers: ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
16:40:12 <karen> ...great
[491]
[490] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[491] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...great [492]←
16:40:22 <karen> ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for parti
cipation
[493]Karen Myers: ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call
for participation [494]←
16:40:32 <karen> ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for ne
xt week's call
[493] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[495]Karen Myers: ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign
up for next week's call
16:40:36 <karen> ...with a week to think about this
[495] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[496]Karen Myers: ...with a week to think about this
[497]Richard Schwerdtfeger: that's perfect [timeline]
[498]Markus Gylling: final agenda item is the focus task force
for next meeting
16:41:02 <karen> ...I wrote to two of them
[496] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[497] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[498] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[499]Karen Myers:: ...I wrote to two of them [500]←
16:41:12 <karen> ...I see some in a pretty early state
[499] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[501]Karen Myers: ...I see some in a pretty early state [502]←
16:41:15 <karen> ...such as metadata
[501] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[503]Karen Myers:...such as metadata [504]←
16:41:23 <karen> ...Bill, Brady, what do you think?
[503] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[505]Karen Myers: ...Bill, Brady, what do you think? [506]←
16:41:36 <karen> Bill: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata i
f group wants to do that
[507]
[505] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[507] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
Bill Kasdorf: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata
if group wants to do that
16:41:45 <karen> ...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be a
s well
[508]Karen Myers:...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi
would be as well [509]←
16:41:57 <karen> ...It did just get started up
[508] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[510]Karen Myers: ...It did just get started up [511]←
16:42:11 <karen> ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid ge
tting into specifics, and focus on scope
[510] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[512]Karen Myers: ...if we devote next week's meeting, we
should avoid getting into specifics, and focus on scope [513]←
16:42:22 <karen> ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata disc
ussions
[512] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[514]Karen Myers: ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the
metadata discussions [515]←
16:42:28 <karen> ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions
[514] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[516]Karen Myers:: ...what became immediately clear on wiki
discussions [517]←
[518]Karen Myers: ...is the importance of emphasizing the what
rather than the how [519]←
16:42:41 <karen> ...the mechanisms and solutions
[516] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[518] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[520]Karen Myers: ...the mechanisms and solutions [521]←
16:42:50 <karen> ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies
[520] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[522]Karen Myers: ...lots of details about metadata
vocabularies [523]←
16:42:55 <karen> Brady: on the pagination side
[522] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[524]Brady Duga: on the pagination side
16:43:02 <karen> ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group
[524] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[525]Karen Myers: ...I don't remember agreeing to head this
group [526]←
16:43:09 <karen> ...I may have been nominated for it
[525] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[527]Karen Myers: ...I may have been nominated for it [528]←
16:43:18 <karen> ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations
[527] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[529]Karen Myers: ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral
adaptations [530]←
16:43:29 <karen> ...but don't recall heading that group
[529] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[531]Karen Myers: ...but don't recall heading that group [532]←
16:43:31 <karen> Markus: that is right
[531] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[533]Markus Gylling: that is right
16:43:39 <karen> ...you took action to add DOM pagination
[533] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[534]Karen Myers: ...you took action to add DOM pagination
[535]←
[536]Karen Myers:...I am to blame for elevating you to task
force lead [537]←
16:43:49 <brady_duga> Sorry, deadzone
[534] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[536] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[538]Brady Duga: Sorry, deadzone [539]←
16:43:52 <brady_duga> I dropped
[538] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[540]Brady Duga: I dropped [541]←
16:43:54 <karen> ...this is an important area
[540] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[542]Karen Myers: ...this is an important area [543]←
16:44:07 <karen> ...even if we change the task force lead to someone els
e, we still need to get going
[542] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[544]Karen Myers: ...even if we change the task force lead to
someone else, we still need to get going [545]←
16:44:16 <karen> Bill: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
[544] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[546]Bill Kasdorf: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
16:44:24 <karen> ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki
[546] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[547]Karen Myers: ...we have a framework for discussion on the
wiki [548]←
[549]Karen Myers:...but if next week is better used for @ I am
happy to defer [550]←
16:44:51 <karen> Markus: I think we are good to go with metadata next we
ek
[547] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[549] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[551]Markus Gylling: I think we are good to go with metadata
next week
16:44:59 <karen> ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination
[552]
[551] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[552] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...and Brady and I can sort things out on
pagination [553]←
16:45:07 <karen> Brady: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
[554]Brady Duga: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
16:45:20 <karen> ...will be a strength to that section and I'll particip
ate in that group
[554] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[555]Karen Myers: ...will be a strength to that section and
I'll participate in that group [556]←
16:45:23 <karen> ...On a side note
[555] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[557]Karen Myers: ...On a side note [558]←
16:45:33 <karen> ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading syst
em authors there
[557] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[559]Karen Myers: ...adding something to wiki, we don't have
reading system authors there [560]←
16:45:46 <karen> Markus: that is still open-ended
[559] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[561]Markus Gylling: that is still open-ended
[562]Karen Myers: ...if you find yourself in corner, feel free
to add it [563]←
16:46:04 <karen> Brady: just add it and it appears?
[561] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[562] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[564]Brady Duga: just add it and it appears?
16:46:05 <karen> Markus: yes
[564] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[565]Markus Gylling: yes
16:46:12 <karen> ...I think we are settled and done for the day?
[565] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[566]Karen Myers: ...I think we are settled and done for the
day? [567]←
16:46:16 <karen> ...Any other business?
[566] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[568]Karen Myers: ...Any other business? [569]←
16:46:21 <karen> ...super
[568] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[570]Karen Myers: ...super [571]←
16:46:30 <karen> ...please recall your review of the annotations collect
ions warmly welcome
[570] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[572]Karen Myers:...please recall your review of the
annotations collections warmly welcome [573]←
16:46:45 <karen> ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review
from an accessibility perspective
[572] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[574]Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a
dedicated review from an accessibility perspective
[575]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Are there any other aspects of
annotation being included?
16:47:02 <karen> ...I saw a mark
[574] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[575] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
[576]Karen Myers: ...I saw a mark [577]←
16:47:04 <Zakim> -duga
[576] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga [578]←
16:47:11 <karen> ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
[579]Karen Myers: ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
[580]←
16:47:19 <karen> Markus: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation
CG
[579] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[581]Markus Gylling: Maybe you are not aware of the open
annotation CG
16:47:23 <karen> ...you mentioned at the PF call
[582]
[581] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[582] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...you mentioned at the PF call [583]←
16:47:29 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
[584]Robert Sanderson:
[585]http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [586]←
16:47:31 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Soc
ial_Reading_and_Annotations
[584] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[585] http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
[587]Markus Gylling:
[588]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re
ading_and_Annotations [589]←
16:47:34 <karen> Markus: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of th
at
[587] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[588]
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
[590]Markus Gylling: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair
of that
16:47:40 <Zakim> -fjh
[590] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [591]←
16:47:45 <karen> ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track
version of open annotations
[592]Karen Myers: ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a
rec track version of open annotations
[593]Karen Myers: ...and epub also working on integrating
[594]←
16:47:58 <karen> ...you may want to read in on that
[595]
[592] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[593] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[595] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...you may want to read in on that [596]←
[597]Karen Myers:...good opportunity for an inverted long desk
[598]←
16:48:21 <karen> Rob: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an
email; happy to do what I can
[597] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[599]Robert Sanderson: if there is anything I can do to help,
shoot me an email; happy to do what I can
M[600]arkus Gylling: any other questions?
16:48:34 <karen> ...thank you for today
[601]
[599] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[600] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[601] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers: ...thank you for today [602]←
16:48:38 <karen> ...thank you, Karen for scribing
[603]Karen Myers: ...thank you, Karen for scribing
16:48:39 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel [604]←
16:48:40 <Zakim> -lizadaly
Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [605]←
16:48:40 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling [606]←
16:48:41 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.336.aabb [607]←
16:48:42 <Zakim> -dshkolnik
Zakim IRC Bot: -dshkolnik [608]←
16:48:42 <Zakim> -Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad [609]←
16:48:42 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf [610]←
16:48:43 <karen> ...meeting adjourned
[611]
[611] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Karen Myers:...meeting adjourned
[612]Richard Schwerdtfeger: (handle)42@gmail.com
17:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Marilyn, in DPUB_DP
UBIG()11:00AM
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[612] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
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