- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:21:15 +0100
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-02-03 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-02-03
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1] https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2014-02-03?edit=1
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
Minutes of 03 February 2014
Present
[2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bill Kasdorf, [4]Dave Cramer,
[5]Dmitry Shkolnik, [6]Frederick Hirsch, [7]Gerardo
Capiel, [8]Ivan Herman, [9]Jean Kaplansky, [10]Liza
Daly, [11]Luc Audrain, [12]Madi Solomon, [13]Markus
Gylling, [14]Robert Sanderson, [15]Suzanne Taylor,
[16]Thierry Michel, [17]Tom De Nies, [18]Tzviya Siegman,
[19]Ivan Herman, [20]Karen Myers.
[2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
[6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
[7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
[13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
[18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
Scribe
[21]Tzviya Siegman
[21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
Regrets
Madi Solomon, Duga brady, Laura Fowler
IRC Log
[22]Original
[22] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-dpub-irc
Resolutions
None.
Topics
1. [23]Metadata Task force
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[24]Karen Myers: Last note was sent to list on 15 December not
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15:32:28 <karen> Ivan: task forces identified
[26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
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[29]Ivan Herman: task forces identified
15:56:33 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
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16:00:26 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
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16:00:41 <ivan> zakim, unmute everybody
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16:00:41 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not know which phone connection belon
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[39] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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[45] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
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[49] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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[55] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
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[59] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
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[63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
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16:02:02 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
[69]Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me [70]←
16:02:02 <Zakim> TomDN was already muted, TomDN
[69] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
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16:02:08 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Julie_Morris__BISG
[72]Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Julie_Morris__BISG [73]←
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[72] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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16:02:26 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya
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16:04:21 <karen> q+
[88]
[88] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Liza Daly: approve minutes from last week [89]←
16:04:31 <ivan> ack karen
[90]Ivan Herman: ack karen [91]←
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[93]Thierry Michel: Zakim, ??P42 is me [94]←
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[93] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
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16:04:51 <tzviya> karen: unsure if minutes corrected, missed a few point
[96]Karen Myers: unsure if minutes corrected, missed a few
points [97]←
16:05:07 <tzviya> s/point/points
16:05:08 <dauwhe> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27
[96] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[98]Dave Cramer:
[99]http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27 [100]←
16:05:10 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html
[98] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[99] http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27
[101]Ivan Herman:
[102]http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html
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[101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[102] http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html
[104]Markus Gylling: zakim, unmute me [105]←
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16:05:42 <tzviya> markus: have not sent corrections to thierry yet
[107]Markus Gylling: have not sent corrections to thierry yet
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16:05:55 <tmichel> send me the corrections that are needed ...
[107] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[109]Thierry Michel: Markuus, send me the corrections that are
needed ... [110]←
16:06:05 <tzviya> karen: my rec is to update the minutes and approve nex
t week
[109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[111]Karen Myers: my rec is to update the minutes and approve
next week [112]←
16:06:10 <tmichel> And yes we will approuved the minutes next week
[111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[113]Thierry Michel: And yes we will approve the minutes next
week [114]←
16:06:28 <tzviya> Liza: focus on metadata task force
[113] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[115]Liza Daly: focus on metadata task force [116]←
16:06:35 <ivan> Topic: Metadata Task force
[115] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
1. Metadata Task force
16:06:38 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aadd
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16:06:41 <tzviya> ...Bill and madi will walk through objectives
...Bill and madi will walk through objectives [118]←
16:06:42 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata T
F wiki page
[119]Ivan Herman: ->
[120]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata TF
wiki page [121]←
16:06:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Meta
data
[119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[120] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata
[122]Bill Kasdorf:
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16:06:52 <madi> Did she just say...exciting?
[122] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[124]Madi Solomon: Did she just say...exciting? [125]←
16:06:55 <tzviya> ...and scope
[124] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
...and scope [126]←
16:06:59 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Luc
[127]Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is Luc [128]←
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[127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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16:07:01 <tzviya> BillK:
[130]Bill Kasdorf: [131]←
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[130] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[132]Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute Bill_Kasdorf [133]←
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[132] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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16:07:55 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: created framework for discussion on wiki
https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata
[135]Bill Kasdorf: created framework for discussion on wiki
https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata [136]←
16:08:27 <tzviya> ... idea is to group discussion by topic
[135] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
... idea is to group discussion by topic [137]←
16:09:07 <tzviya> ...focus on getting thoughts onto wiki (as opposed to
list, but encourage) discussion
...focus on getting thoughts onto wiki (as opposed to list, but
encourage) discussion [138]←
16:09:38 <tzviya> ...Scope: 2 tasks: identify problems of publishers and
metadata
...Scope: 2 tasks: identify problems of publishers and metadata
[139]←
16:09:45 <tzviya> ...and collect use cases
...and collect use cases [140]←
16:10:13 <ivan> q+
[141]Ivan Herman: q+ [142]←
16:10:18 <tzviya> ...Ivan asked if this is the correct group within W3C
to work on this
[141] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
...Ivan asked if this is the correct group within W3C to work
on this [143]←
16:10:42 <tzviya> ...our group is appropriate to raise issues, not neces
sarily solve them
...our group is appropriate to raise issues, not necessarily
solve them [144]←
16:11:09 <tzviya> ...Markus suggested raising what the issues are, get t
he conversation going
...Markus suggested raising what the issues are, get the
conversation going [145]←
16:11:21 <tzviya> ...How broad do we want to make this?
...How broad do we want to make this? [146]←
16:11:49 <tzviya> ...publishers tend to focus on supply chain metadata b
ecause it gets publications out into the world
...publishers tend to focus on supply chain metadata because it
gets publications out into the world [147]←
16:12:10 <tzviya> ...there is a whole world of library metadata that is
very active
...there is a whole world of library metadata that is very
active [148]←
16:12:56 <tzviya> ...Do we want to include library (cataloging) metadata
? Do we want to think about interoperability?
...Do we want to include library (cataloging) metadata? Do we
want to think about interoperability? [149]←
16:13:06 <azaroth> q+
[150]Robert Sanderson: q+ [151]←
16:13:31 <ivan> ack ivan
[150] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[152]Ivan Herman: ack ivan [153]←
16:13:43 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
[152] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
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16:13:56 <Luc> q+
[156]Luc Audrain: q+ [157]←
16:14:10 <tzviya> ... will this lead to a metadata IG in W3C?
[156] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
... will this lead to a metadata IG in W3C? [158]←
16:14:10 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P0 is me
[159]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P0 is me [160]←
16:14:10 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
[159] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [161]←
16:14:39 <tzviya> Ivan: if we identify a hole in HTML, we know where to
go to work on that
[162]Ivan Herman: if we identify a hole in HTML, we know where
to go to work on that [163]←
16:15:04 <mgylling> ack azaroth
[162] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[164]Markus Gylling: ack azaroth [165]←
16:15:06 <tzviya> ...this is different, because there is not a group for
that in w3c, so this could lead to an IG
[164] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
...this is different, because there is not a group for that in
w3c, so this could lead to an IG [166]←
16:15:26 <tzviya> ...it would need to be well-documented and explained t
o W3C management
...it would need to be well-documented and explained to W3C
management [167]←
16:15:45 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan [168]←
16:15:52 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
[169]Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip [170]←
16:15:52 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
[169] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made [171]←
16:15:53 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan [172]←
16:16:00 <tzviya> Rob: distinguishing between cataloging and supply chai
n metadata will be difficult
[173]Robert Sanderson: distinguishing between cataloging and
supply chain metadata will be difficult [174]←
16:16:04 <mgylling> ack Luc
[173] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[175]Markus Gylling: ack Luc [176]←
16:16:09 <tzviya> ...for example, which is title?
[175] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
...for example, which is title? [177]←
16:16:54 <tzviya> Luc: supply chain metadata is important, yes. We would
like to figure out how to enrich the product internally
[178]Luc Audrain: supply chain metadata is important, yes. We
would like to figure out how to enrich the product internally
[179]←
16:17:56 <tzviya> ...there is global metadata (author, title, etc) and t
here is metadata inside the product
[178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
...there is global metadata (author, title, etc) and there is
metadata inside the product [180]←
16:18:16 <mgylling> q?
[181]Markus Gylling: q? [182]←
16:18:19 <tzviya> ....We see that HTML is not a semantic language - this
is content metadata
[181] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
....We see that HTML is not a semantic language - this is
content metadata [183]←
16:19:23 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: I see this in my work through use of gen
eric tagging, such as <div.metadata>
[184]Bill Kasdorf: I see this in my work through use of generic
tagging, such as <div.metadata> [185]←
16:19:34 <gcapiel> What about Schema.org?
[184] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[186]Gerardo Capiel: What about Schema.org? [187]←
16:19:40 <tzviya> ...publishers are doing this in non-standard or non-no
rmative ways
[186] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
...publishers are doing this in non-standard or non-normative
ways [188]←
16:20:15 <azaroth> Isn't interoperability "how" not "what"?
[189]Robert Sanderson: Isn't interoperability "how" not "what"?
[190]←
16:20:48 <tzviya> Liza: listing publishers' problems today: publishers g
et around this, but there are not common solutions
[189] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[191]Liza Daly: listing publishers' problems today: publishers
get around this, but there are not common solutions [192]←
16:20:50 <tzviya> q+
[191] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
q+ [193]←
16:20:59 <azaroth> q+ to ask isn't interop "how" not "what"?
[194]Robert Sanderson: q+ to ask isn't interop "how" not
"what"? [195]←
16:21:06 <Zakim> +Bert
[194] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
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16:21:34 <mgylling> ack tzviya
[197]Markus Gylling: ack tzviya [198]←
16:22:12 <Luc> §1
[197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[199]Luc Audrain: §1 [200]←
16:22:17 <mgylling> ack azaroth
[199] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[201]Markus Gylling: ack azaroth [202]←
16:22:17 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask isn't interop "how" not "wha
t"?
[201] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to ask isn't interop "how"
not "what"? [203]←
16:22:21 <Luc> +1
[204]Luc Audrain: +1 [205]←
16:22:51 <tzviya> Tzviya: Sub-package level metadata is something that p
ublishers love about XML (and prevents them from moving to HTML)
[204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[206]Tzviya Siegman: Sub-package level metadata is something
that publishers love about XML (and prevents them from moving
to HTML) [207]←
16:23:16 <ivan> q+
[206] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[208]Ivan Herman: q+ [209]←
16:23:29 <tzviya> ...more granular metadata will be a game changer in sh
ifting from XML to HTML
[208] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
...more granular metadata will be a game changer in shifting
from XML to HTML [210]←
16:23:50 <tzviya> Rob: Interop seems to be something that we can approac
h later
[211]Robert Sanderson: Interop seems to be something that we
can approach later [212]←
16:24:13 <tzviya> ...more of a how to we approach this, then a "what" is
this?
[211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...more of a how to we approach this, then a "what" is this?
[213]←
16:24:42 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: that is true, but it also addresses the
need from common practices
[214]Bill Kasdorf: that is true, but it also addresses the need
from common practices [215]←
16:24:42 <mgylling> q?
[214] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[216]Markus Gylling: q? [217]←
16:24:46 <mgylling> ack ivan
[216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[218]Markus Gylling: ack ivan [219]←
16:24:47 <ivan> ack ivan
[218] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[220]Ivan Herman: ack ivan [221]←
16:25:48 <azaroth> +1 to separation of syntax and semantics .... where p
ossible
[220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[222]Robert Sanderson: +1 to separation of syntax and semantics
.... where possible [223]←
16:26:18 <tzviya> Ivan: Let's separate 3 problem areas: mechanism for ex
presssion (syntax), vocabularies (and relationship of vocab), id mechani
sms for targets
[222] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[224]Ivan Herman: Let's separate 3 problem areas: mechanism for
expresssion (syntax), vocabularies (and relationship of vocab),
id mechanisms for targets [225]←
16:26:39 <tzviya> ...of these 3 the syntax is the simplest issue
[224] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
...of these 3 the syntax is the simplest issue [226]←
16:26:57 <tzviya> ...there are well-defined existing syntaxes
...there are well-defined existing syntaxes [227]←
16:27:31 <tzviya> Liza: Who is audience?
[228]Liza Daly: Who is audience? [229]←
16:28:06 <tzviya> Bill_kasdorf: Should we include library/cataloging met
adata in scope?
[228] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[230]Bill Kasdorf: Should we include library/cataloging
metadata in scope? [231]←
16:28:26 <tzviya> rob: We should focus on the people who are here, the p
ublishers
[230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[232]Robert Sanderson: We should focus on the people who are
here, the publishers [233]←
16:28:27 <ivan> q+
[232] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[234]Ivan Herman: q+ [235]←
16:28:39 <Luc> q+
[234] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[236]Luc Audrain: q+ [237]←
16:28:53 <madi> I can't seem to un-mute myself, but I agree with Rob. L
et's keep with the publishers.
[236] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[238]Madi Solomon: I can't seem to un-mute myself, but I agree
with Rob. Let's keep with the publishers. [239]←
16:29:06 <azaroth> zakim, unmute madi
[238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
[240]Robert Sanderson: zakim, unmute madi [241]←
16:29:06 <Zakim> madi should no longer be muted
[240] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: madi should no longer be muted [242]←
16:29:28 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: there are huge undertakings in library w
orld and little agreement
[243]Bill Kasdorf: there are huge undertakings in library world
and little agreement [244]←
16:29:48 <tzviya> Madi: I agree, particularly with Liza and Rob
[243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[245]Madi Solomon: I agree, particularly with Liza and Rob
[246]←
16:30:18 <tzviya> ...We should stick with publisher (supply chain) metad
ata. Publishers are behind the times
[245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
...We should stick with publisher (supply chain) metadata.
Publishers are behind the times [247]←
16:30:31 <mgylling> q?
[248]Markus Gylling: q? [249]←
16:30:38 <mgylling> ack ivan
[248] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[250]Markus Gylling: ack ivan [251]←
16:30:41 <azaroth> q+
[250] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[252]Robert Sanderson: q+ [253]←
16:30:44 <tzviya> ...we have an opportunity to bring publishing up to sp
eed
[252] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...we have an opportunity to bring publishing up to speed
[254]←
16:30:49 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi [255]←
16:31:40 <tzviya> ivan: Who is the target of the metadata that publisher
s produce?
[256]Ivan Herman: Who is the target of the metadata that
publishers produce? [257]←
16:32:26 <azaroth> q+ schema not liked in libraries, and retain some foc
us on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
[256] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[258]Robert Sanderson: q+ schema not liked in libraries, and
retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
[259]←
16:32:34 <azaroth> zakim, really?
[258] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[260]Robert Sanderson: zakim, really? [261]←
16:32:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, azaroth.
[260] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, azaroth.
[262]←
16:32:37 <tzviya> ...someone put schema.org into the notes. If we want t
o work with schema.org, then we need to know what partners schema.org re
cognizes
...someone put schema.org into the notes. If we want to work
with schema.org, then we need to know what partners schema.org
recognizes [263]←
16:32:52 <azaroth> q+ to say schema not liked in libraries, and retain s
ome focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
[264]Robert Sanderson: q+ to say schema not liked in libraries,
and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
[265]←
16:33:46 <ivan> q?
[264] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[266]Ivan Herman: q? [267]←
16:33:53 <karen> q+
[266] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Unknown karen: q+ [268]←
16:34:15 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Magazine world created verbose vocabular
y for recipes. Within a specific group, there is a need for more express
ive vocabulary than more widely recognized
[269]Bill Kasdorf: Magazine world created verbose vocabulary
for recipes. Within a specific group, there is a need for more
expressive vocabulary than more widely recognized [270]←
16:35:02 <mgylling> ack Luc
[269] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[271]Markus Gylling: ack Luc [272]←
16:35:04 <tzviya> Luc: publishers want consumers to discover books and t
o be able to improve accessibility
[271] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[273]Luc Audrain: publishers want consumers to discover books
and to be able to improve accessibility [274]←
16:35:06 <tzviya> q+
[273] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
q+ [275]←
16:35:12 <mgylling> ack azaroth
[276]Markus Gylling: ack azaroth [277]←
16:35:12 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to say schema not liked in librarie
s, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
[276] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to say schema not liked in
libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg
web not epub) [278]←
16:35:53 <tzviya> Rob: only a small portion of library world likes schem
a.org
[279]Robert Sanderson: only a small portion of library world
likes schema.org [280]←
16:36:42 <tzviya> ...we need to keep an eye on non-packaged content. Con
tent lives outside the web - let's see what goes on outside EPUB
[279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...we need to keep an eye on non-packaged content. Content
lives outside the web - let's see what goes on outside EPUB
[281]←
16:36:47 <tzviya> +1
+1 [282]←
16:37:00 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf
Bill_Kasdorf [283]←
16:37:41 <mgylling> ack karen
[284]Markus Gylling: ack karen [285]←
16:37:49 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: extensive vocabulary for magazine recipe
s was for content management, not delivery
[284] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[286]Bill Kasdorf: extensive vocabulary for magazine recipes
was for content management, not delivery [287]←
16:38:14 <lizadaly> +1 for emphasizing outcomes and benefits
[286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[288]Liza Daly: +1 for emphasizing outcomes and benefits [289]←
16:38:18 <tzviya> Karen: we need to be compelling about the business ben
efits, beginning to hear about the benefits
[288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[290]Karen Myers: we need to be compelling about the business
benefits, beginning to hear about the benefits [291]←
16:38:39 <lizadaly> Maybe as a flip side to focusing on 'problems'?
[290] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
[292]Liza Daly: Maybe as a flip side to focusing on 'problems'?
[293]←
16:38:46 <tzviya> ...are there other business benefits that we'd find co
mpelling?
[292] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
...are there other business benefits that we'd find compelling?
[294]←
16:38:55 <mgylling> ack tzviya
[295]Markus Gylling: ack tzviya [296]←
16:40:24 <ivan> q+
[295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[297]Ivan Herman: q+ [298]←
16:41:25 <tzviya> tzviya: we need to make a distinction between content
management "metadata" and supply chain metadata - we have too many subje
ct areas to manage
[297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[299]Tzviya Siegman: we need to make a distinction between
content management "metadata" and supply chain metadata - we
have too many subject areas to manage [300]←
16:41:36 <mgylling> +1
[299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[301]Markus Gylling: +1 [302]←
16:41:46 <mgylling> ack ivan
[301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[303]Markus Gylling: ack ivan [304]←
16:42:31 <tzviya> 'Bill_Kasdorf: we may be able to recommend a method fo
r HOW to manage different vocabularies not what they are
[303] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
'Bill_Kasdorf: we may be able to recommend a method for HOW to
manage different vocabularies not what they are [305]←
16:43:04 <tzviya> Ivan: the line between adaptive UI and metadata is fuz
zy - we may have to draw a clear line
[306]Ivan Herman: the line between adaptive UI and metadata is
fuzzy - we may have to draw a clear line [307]←
16:43:37 <tzviya> ...it may be useful to do a cataloging of existing voc
abularies
[306] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
...it may be useful to do a cataloging of existing vocabularies
[308]←
16:43:47 <Suzanne> +1
[309]Suzanne Taylor: +1 [310]←
16:43:54 <ivan> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
[309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
[311]Ivan Herman: [312]http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ [313]←
16:43:56 <tzviya> ...without mapping, just a list with information about
what they are and how they relate
[311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[312] http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
...without mapping, just a list with information about what
they are and how they relate [314]←
16:44:26 <tzviya> ...similar to linked data vocab set (link above)
...similar to linked data vocab set (link above) [315]←
16:44:52 <tzviya> data/s/open
data/s/open [316]←
16:45:44 <tzviya> Bill_Kadrof: these are all RDF vocabularies
[317]Bill Kasdorf: these are all RDF vocabularies [318]←
16:46:20 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
[317] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky [319]←
16:46:20 <mgylling> q?
[320]Markus Gylling: q? [321]←
16:46:46 <azaroth> Ivan: Yep :S
[320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[322]Ivan Herman: Yep :S [ Scribe Assist by [323]Robert
Sanderson ] [324]←
16:47:33 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Please go to wiki and comments
[322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[323] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[325]Bill Kasdorf: Please go to wiki and comments [326]←
16:47:37 <lizadaly> Yes please!
[325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[327]Liza Daly: Yes please! [328]←
16:48:33 <astearns> zakim, who is noisy?
[327] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[329]Alan Stearns: zakim, who is noisy? [330]←
16:48:41 <tzviya> liza: we have consensus that will focus on supply chai
n (publisher) metadata (not library)
[329] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[331]Liza Daly: we have consensus that will focus on supply
chain (publisher) metadata (not library) [332]←
16:48:42 <lizadaly> RECESS
[331] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[333]Liza Daly: RECESS [334]←
16:48:45 <Zakim> astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from t
he following: Bill_Kasdorf (35%), Luc (4%), Ivan (4%)
[333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound
from the following: Bill_Kasdorf (35%), Luc (4%), Ivan (4%)
[335]←
16:49:48 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: is thus group likely to go to the step o
f W3C document as deliverable? What are the deliverables for this group?
[336]Bill Kasdorf: is thus group likely to go to the step of
W3C document as deliverable? What are the deliverables for this
group? [337]←
16:50:15 <azaroth> Notes: We're primarily doing the Note because of the
transition to a Working Group from Community Group
[336] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
Notes: We're primarily doing the Note because of the transition
to a Working Group from Community Group [ Scribe Assist by
[338]Robert Sanderson ] [339]←
16:50:17 <tzviya> Markus: first thing should be the low hanging fruit: i
ssues that pubs deal with
[338] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[340]Markus Gylling: first thing should be the low hanging
fruit: issues that pubs deal with [341]←
16:50:26 <ivan> +1 to Markus
[340] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[342]Ivan Herman: +1 to Markus [343]←
16:50:32 <tzviya> ...things that are too costly, too hard, not possible
[342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
...things that are too costly, too hard, not possible [344]←
16:50:50 <azaroth> Rather than something formal for the IG
[345]Robert Sanderson: Rather than something formal for the IG
[346]←
16:50:55 <tzviya> ...see brain dump from Luc and others like him about t
hings that cannot be done
[345] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...see brain dump from Luc and others like him about things
that cannot be done [347]←
16:50:56 <azaroth> +1 to Markus
[348]Robert Sanderson: +1 to Markus [349]←
16:51:23 <tzviya> ...this will bring us the data points toward next step
s
[348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...this will bring us the data points toward next steps [350]←
16:51:24 <karen> +1
Unknown karen: +1 [351]←
16:51:26 <Luc> +1
[352]Luc Audrain: +1 [353]←
16:51:53 <astearns> complaints *are* use cases. "I would like to..."
[352] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[354]Alan Stearns: complaints *are* use cases. "I would like
to..." [355]←
16:52:27 <tzviya> Markus: these complaints are use cases
[354] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[356]Markus Gylling: these complaints are use cases [357]←
16:53:40 <tzviya> Luc: I will add use cases to wiki
[356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[358]Luc Audrain: I will add use cases to wiki [359]←
16:53:54 <tzviya> I will add STM use cases
[358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
I will add STM use cases [360]←
16:54:22 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: send note to list when add info to wiki
[361]Bill Kasdorf: send note to list when add info to wiki
[362]←
16:55:21 <tzviya> Liza: Topic: next week's meeting
[361] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[363]Liza Daly: Topic: next week's meeting [364]←
16:55:25 <lizadaly> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html
[363] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[365]Liza Daly:
[366]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html [367]←
16:55:30 <tzviya> ...DOM pagination
[365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[366] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html
...DOM pagination [368]←
16:56:10 <tzviya> Markus: Looking for a task force lead and participants
[369]Markus Gylling: Looking for a task force lead and
participants [370]←
16:56:29 <ivan> +q
[369] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[371]Ivan Herman: +q [372]←
16:56:37 <dauwhe> q+
[371] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[373]Dave Cramer: q+ [374]←
16:56:42 <tzviya> ...programmatic access to pagination
[373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
...programmatic access to pagination [375]←
16:56:45 <ivan> q later
[376]Ivan Herman: q later [377]←
16:56:49 <lizadaly> (Not me, we've given up on pagination)
[376] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[378]Liza Daly: (Not me, we've given up on pagination) [379]←
16:57:07 <azaroth> (+1 to liza)
[378] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[380]Robert Sanderson: (+1 to liza) [381]←
16:57:08 <tzviya> ...publishers are doing this is in different ways
[380] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
...publishers are doing this is in different ways [382]←
16:57:22 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
[383]Markus Gylling: ack dauwhe [384]←
16:57:25 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
[383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[385]Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes [386]←
16:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.or
g/2014/02/03-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
[385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate
[387]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
[388]←
16:57:38 <tzviya> .. this is about attaching events and using the DOM
[387] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-dpub-minutes.html
.. this is about attaching events and using the DOM [389]←
16:57:52 <lizadaly> -1000 page transition animations
[390]Liza Daly: -1000 page transition animations [391]←
16:58:07 <tzviya> Dave: the CSS WG is aware of this and beginning to dis
cuss transitions associated with page
[390] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[392]Dave Cramer: the CSS WG is aware of this and beginning to
discuss transitions associated with page [393]←
16:58:38 <tzviya> Ivan: do we know who will be at EDUPUB in Salt Lake Ci
ty?
[392] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[394]Ivan Herman: do we know who will be at EDUPUB in Salt Lake
City? [395]←
16:59:00 <Luc> +1000 to Liza comment on no page transition animations
[394] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[396]Luc Audrain: +1000 to Liza comment on no page transition
animations [397]←
16:59:06 <tzviya> jean, tzviya, billK, markus, Julie, Ivan, gerardo will
attend
[396] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
Jean, Tzviya, Bill-K, Markus, Julie, Ivan, Gerardo will attend
[398]←
16:59:36 <tzviya> Ivan: Should I create repo for annotations?
[399]Ivan Herman: Should I create repo for annotations? [400]←
16:59:42 <tzviya> Rob: yes
[399] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[401]Robert Sanderson: yes [402]←
16:59:55 <tzviya> Action: ivan create annotations repo
[401] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
ACTION: Ivan to create annotations repo [403]←
16:59:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Create annotations repo [on Ivan
Herman - due 2014-02-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created [404]ACTION-16 - Create annotations
repo [on Ivan Herman - due 2014-02-10]. [405]←
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[404] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/16
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