- From: Kostiainen, Anssi <anssi.kostiainen@intel.com>
- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:10:26 +0000
- To: W3C Devices and Sensors WG <public-device-apis@w3.org>
Hi All,
The draft minutes from today's teleconference are at:
https://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html
And below the same in plain text format.
Thanks,
-Anssi (Device and Sensors WG Chair)
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference
05 Oct 2017
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Oct/0006.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-irc
Attendees
Present
dom, Anssi, Mikhail, Alex, Andrey_Logvinov
Regrets
Fuqiao
Chair
Anssi
Scribe
dom
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review,
announcements
2. [6]Minutes approval
3. [7]Generic Sensors
4. [8]Wake Lock
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<scribe> ScribeNick: dom
Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements
Anssi: I'm your new chair
... since last Friday - would like to thank Frederick for his
chairing over the past 8years!
... I'm humbled to continue from the excellent position where
Frederick left the group
... The challenge as a group moving forward is attracting a
more diverse community, incl. more implementors
... lots of good work and progress happening, looking forward
to even more success
... currently we're running this call on a biweekly basis
we've adjusted the time somewhat (1 hour earlier)
scribe: I'm interested in hearing feedback on the schedule
... is it too often or not? should we move the call even
earlier in the day given that we don't have US-based
participants on the calls?
Mikhail: we could take a more event-driven approach to
scheduling - only schedule a meeting if there are specific
topics to be discussed
Anssi: we could use github issues to track items worthy of
discussion
... I want to make sure we use our time productively
... Alex, Andrey, what are your thoughts?
Alex: agree with Mikhail on the agenda policy
... current time works for me
<Andrey_Logvinov> I agree on the agenda policy, current time is
fine
Alex: we don't have to wait for meetings to assign action
points e.g. to do review of external specs
Andrey: I agree on the agenda policy, current time is fine
... let's have meetings only when there are clear topics for
discussion
dom: I'm ok with an event-driven approach, but we need to be
careful that calls have also a social function, not just a
technical one
Anssi: let's keep the slot open in our agendas
... but I'll take a more aggressive approach in canceling
meetings
... I'll also think about how to make sure people can bring
input to the agenda
Alex: significant updates to the spec might be a trigger for
having a call as well
[11]Web Based BG proposal
[11] http://www.w3.org/mid/120B74A8-66C3-4332-BE91-57204B07A722@lab.ntt.co.jp
Anssi: the Web Based BG has approached us to bring two new
deliverables to our next charter
... I responded based on offline discussions
... feel free to chime in if you have further feedback
... otherwise, we'll wait to hear back from them with responses
and a possible timing for a call
<anssik> response sent to Web-based BG
[12]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Oct/0005.html
[12] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Oct/0005.html
dom: the BG has been trying to bring their work to
standardization, and identified DAS as one likely target
... I've invited them to send details to our list - please
review their suggested specs and give feedback
ACTION-809?
<trackbot> ACTION-809 -- Alexander Shalamov to Review
automotive specifications with regards to generic sensor api --
due 2017-09-28 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/809
[13] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/809
Anssi: Alex unfortunately reviewed a spec that wasn't the
latest one
<anssik> [14]https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/239
[14] https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/239
Anssi: can you give us a high level overview of the results of
your review?
... how relevant is it to our work?
Alex: I was a bit upset by having been misled by the WG home
page on which specs are relevant
... the latest specs (VISS and VIAS), which are clients to a
Web Socket protocol, may have synergy in the future, but not
just at the moment
... e.g. a user agent requesting an increase of the light on
the back seat
... their approach to sensors is different - it assumes
always-running sensors
[15]https://www.w3.org/Submission/2016/SUBM-viwi-service-car-20
161213/
[15] https://www.w3.org/Submission/2016/SUBM-viwi-service-car-20161213/
[16]https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification
[16] https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification
[17]https://w3c.github.io/automotive/vehicle_data/vehicle_infor
mation_service.html
[17] https://w3c.github.io/automotive/vehicle_data/vehicle_information_service.html
Dom: sorry for the confusion; I think comparison with VISS in
terms of interaction model might still be useful
reopen ACTION-809
<trackbot> Re-opened ACTION-809.
Minutes approval
<anssik> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 21 September 2017
are approved
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 21 September 2017 are approved
[18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Sep/0024.html
[18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Sep/0024.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 21 September 2017 are approved
Generic Sensors
[19]Generic Sensor API Level 1 issues addressed
[19] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Oct/0002.html
Anssi: congrats on this milestone!
[20]Generic Sensor API revised Working Draft published
[20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Oct/0004.html
[21]Wide review tracker
[21] https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/299
Anssi: Wide review is requried prior to entering to CR
... and needs enough time for people to review, and time to
integrate feedback
... the bug is to help us track what we need for the wide
review
[22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf
[22] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf
Anssi: last year we got TAG review on Generic Sensors & ALS
... I think we have addressed their feedback, but it would be
great if the editors could double check
[23]https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/110
[23] https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/110
[24]https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/115
[24] https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/115
Anssi: we should highlight the significant differences since
the last review; the HTML diff is useless from that perspective
<scribe> ACTION: Alex to review TAG feedback for Generic Sensor
/ ALS and prepare list of changes for next review with Mikhail
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Error finding 'Alex'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/users>.
[26] http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/users
Dom: I don't think we need to go through the I18N questionnaire
given the scope of our spec
... likewise A11Y told us last year they didn't see
intersection of ALS & Generic sensor
... so we may want to notify them, butI don't think we need to
go through their questionnaire
<scribe> ACTION: Alexander to review TAG feedback for Generic
Sensor / ALS and prepare list of changes for next review with
Mikhail [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action02]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-812 - Review tag feedback for generic
sensor / als and prepare list of changes for next review with
mikhail [on Alexander Shalamov - due 2017-10-12].
Anssi: quick update on implementations and getting feedback on
the spec
Mikhail: Origin trial will start with Chrome M63
... it should reach Chrome beta in November
... Origin trial lasts for 3 releases in a row, can be extended
if needed
... so we expect it to be at least until M65
Alex: which means spring next year
Anssi: there is a questionnaire built into the origin trial
Alex: there is Web fundamentals article from which we already
got some feedback
... one of the feedback was the difficulty in getting examples
of concrete sensors - which we fixed in the explainers
dom: looking at organizing an interview with Kenneth on the
specs fyi
Anssi: moving on to level 2 issues (not addressed in the
implementation of origin trial)
Mikhail: the level 2 issues are mostly extension of current
functionalities - they shouldn't change the API shape
... two main features under discussion: service worker support
and discovery
Wake Lock
Dom: are we ready to transition Wake Lock to CR?
Andrey: yes
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to work with Anssi on requesting
transition of Wake Lock to CR [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action03]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot> Created ACTION-813 - Work with anssi on requesting
transition of wake lock to cr [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux -
due 2017-10-12].
Dom: implementation plans?
Andrey: haven't started yet - will recontact my Google contacts
to see if they still want to do it themselves or not
Toipc: Rechartering
[29]Draft new charter
[29] http://w3c.github.io/dap-charter/DeviceAPICharter.html
Anssi: charter expires by the end of the year
<scribe> ... new charter adds new deliverables (geo v2,
finishing up device orientation)
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: plan would be to extend the charter until Jan
so that we can get feedback at TPAC before starting the review
process
... please bring up issues and discuss
Dom: plan would be to go for a one-year charter to demonstrate
take up of our work
Anssi: we MAY have a call in two weeks
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alex to review TAG feedback for Generic Sensor /
ALS and prepare list of changes for next review with Mikhail
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Alexander to review TAG feedback for Generic
Sensor / ALS and prepare list of changes for next review with
Mikhail [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to work with Anssi on requesting transition
of Wake Lock to CR [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action03]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action01
[31] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action02
[32] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/05-dap-minutes.html#action03
Summary of Resolutions
1. [33]Minutes from 21 September 2017 are approved
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/201
7Sep/0024.html
2. [34]Minutes from 21 September 2017 are approved
[End of minutes]
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