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<trackbot> Date: 15 May 2014
<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh
fjh: I'll scribe today
Update to 'Network Information API' to shelve - published 10 April
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0013.html
Implementation Status wiki updated, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0003.html
Non-normative editor draft updates to fix test suite links and other minor updates
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0035.html
fjh: Media Capture and Streams progressing in TF, likely to go to LC soon so if interested look at it
Approve minutes from 27 March 2014
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/att-0024/minutes-2014-03-27.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 27 March 2014 are approved
proposal to change Security & Privacy considerations to non-normative.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0008.html (Frederick)
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send CfC to update HTML Media Capture with proposal for security/privacy consideration, 1 week CfC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action01]
Minor battery update to make security/privacy section non-normative (done)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0009.html
fjh: posted summary of some thoughts about NSD direction http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0021.html
One case is Web & TV, we need detail on the actual use cases and requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0019.html
Another discussion is pushing content to local network devices as simpler than pulling, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0027.html
Mark Vickers notes that abstraction is used for window.print and also 2nd screen cases ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0025.html )
richt: if we find a simpler approach might get away for existing devices and services
... working on named web sockets, can get bidirectional connections, very simple
... advertisement and discovery is simple , does not use UPnP
... however we also want UPnP and zeroconf
cathy: agree we need to go back to use cases and define problem
... need to get broader discussion
... yet might want adoption earlier via browser extensions etc
... should consider Jean Claude implementation but possibly premature before we review use cases
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/2014Apr/0033.html
fjh: did we every reply to Youenn, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0022.html
... a reply is warrented
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to reply to Youenn re use cases etc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-690 - Reply to youenn re use cases etc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
fjh: issues list is all about network service discovery
fjh: a number of issues such as search by device type might be resolved by use case reveiw
... one of these is fixed for promises
close ISSUE-158
<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-158.
fjh: please all work on documenting and discussing use cases on list
<richt> Original requirements: http://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/
richt: we should revisit this as well
fjh: following webapps approach to testing
... we need wg volunteers to review and approve pull requests
cathy: ok for me
anssik: ok as well
fjh: how do we, for HTML media capture, close or change the pull request
anssik: can close them or ask submitter to change
fjh: going with the change is best
cathy: dom can do anything, close etc
anssik: web test model not documented but assumes git
fjh: anssik do you have any next steps
ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
for battery google/chromium may want some changes to this spec, so may need to defer testing
scribe: mozilla has confirmed
... ok with change, need to update test suite, then publish another LC, CR is 2 years old
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to make CfC to update Battery and do another LC per suggested changes from google [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action03]
fjh: do we have a proposal on the list
anssik: we have one, but it is not complete
<anssik> ok to send a CfC for proposed changes to the spec
<anssik> then, land changes to the spec, assuming no concerns
<anssik> pub LC, then another CR + update the test suite
anssik: get more implementer feedback on ambient light, another implementation will be Chromium
... vibration - we have 2 implementations, chrome/Firefox so could pass interop now with complete test suite
... need to check test suite for completeness
... html media capture, have 2 implementations, landed in WebKit, not sure shipping in product , has been in Chrome for a year
<anssik> https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus
anssik: updated implementation status wiki to reflect on this
<mats> tizen has some form of media capture (webkit based), fwiw
anssik: for battery there is proposed change + need to get Chromium implementation to complete interop
html media capture - need security/privacy change, have two implementations
ambient light - have one implementation, chromium implementation almost done, so should have interop completed soon
anssik: firefox implemented device light events, exposing lux value. Light level event exposes human readable range
... thus only part implemented
... chromium also only implemented device light events
fjh: don't remember who brought that feature in, but does not seem to have support
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send CfC to remove light level event from ambient light, return to LC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action04]
anssik: browser vendors prefer to have single interface
... reason for two was to avoid more events
... sending CfC ok now, since that feature is behind a flag and can still work on interop in parallel
proximity - feature in firefox, chromium intent to implement but not much progress, concern over use cases
anssik: idea was that you can effectivly obtain proximity using ambient light API
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send message to confirm firefox status and plans to update for vibration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action05]
<Cathy> Thanks anssik for the excellent summary!
<anssik> http://status.modern.ie/
anssik: IE team is also interested in some of these specs
... ambient light and battery status
... also vibration
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to check with Microsoft DAP members regarding plans for implementation and interop participation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action06]
Thanks Anssi for overview and work on testing/interop
cathy: submitted some comment on html media capture pull request
... are you continuing to improve test suite
anssik: should talk to Zhiqiang Zhang
... in github or with direct mail cc'ing list
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0007.html
fjh: volunteers requested for review of this specification
LisaDeLuca_IBM: Web and Mobile Interest Group have been talking about Cordova alignment
anssik: I looked at gaps, Cordova implemented early versions
LisaDeLuca_IBM: we need specific details of what needs to be changed, then can expect developers to edit
anssik: can diff WebIDL
... can also start with test suite, to see what fails
fjh: if people want to help should they check out the interest group
lisa: or send email to me
open actions
ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
ACTION-682?
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/682
fjh: we discussed on this call, can close
close ACTION-682
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-682.
ACTION-685?
<trackbot> ACTION-685 -- Frederick Hirsch to Review priorities of cordova alignment -- due 2014-03-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/685
fjh: alignment being discussed in Web and Mobile Interest Group
close ACTION-685
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-685.
<scribe> pending actions
close ACTION-683
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-683.
ACTION-683?
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/683
ACTION-686?
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/686
close ACTION-686
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-686.
ACTION-687?
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/687
close ACTION-687
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-687.
ACTION-688?
<trackbot> ACTION-688 -- Frederick Hirsch to Contact implementers re network service discovery directly -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/688
close ACTION-688
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-688.
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