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Re: [csswg-drafts] [css-ruby] Zaima Use Cases for Ruby Annotation Level Testing (#6432)

From: Florian Rivoal via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:12:23 +0000
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I wasn't aware of Zaima, but that's very interesting, and your offer is very much welcome. From what I understand about it based on the documents you shared, css-ruby should indeed be able to handle it, but that however comes with a major caveat: the layout would work assuming that a markup language which supports explicit spanning is used, so that you can indicate how many bases each annotation is supposed to span.

*If* such a language is used, css-ruby should do the job.

But HTML is not (at the moment) such a language. [XHTML Complex Ruby Annotations](https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-ruby-20010531/Overview.html.utf-8) would fit the bill, thanks to the [rbspan attribute on the rt element](https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-ruby-20010531/Overview.html.utf-8#rt), but I don't believe that is implemented anywhere.

Theoretically, there's no reason HTML couldn't be extended to support that, but given the resistance that simpler features have faced, that's unfortunately going to be a challenge. In particular, multi-level itself is still not fully accepted. Only Firefox supports it so at the moment. I don't know how much importance browser vendors will give to Zaima, but I suspect they may not be aware of its need for multi-level ruby, so maybe letting them know could contribute to prioritizing this feature.

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Also, I'd like to draw your attention to this note from [section 3.1.1](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-ruby-1/#interlinear-inline):
> Note: If there are multiple annotations spanning the same number of bases that overlap but do not coincide, the distribution of space is undefined. […] can happen in markup languages with explicit spanning […]

Depending on how specific the layout needs of Zaima are, this may or may not be an issue.


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