Re: CredWeb, NewsQ, USG Data & MetaFact

Owen – where does trust, such as that expressed in either hierarchical or “web of” models figure in?  How do people/orgs gain credibility if there is not a model for trust – or reputation - associated with it?

Leonard

From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Date: Monday, January 6, 2020 at 9:55 PM
To: connie im dialog <connieimdialog@gmail.com>, "public-credibility@w3.org" <public-credibility@w3.org>
Subject: Re: CredWeb, NewsQ, USG Data & MetaFact
Resent-From: <public-credibility@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 6, 2020 at 9:55 PM


Connie, yes, the first step is for the acting parties (performers) to self-report their own results, in open, standard, machine-readable format.  That is primary among the use cases<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2FUC4SwStyle.xml&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331634484&sdata=IOqQWTIAMepjMEmE%2BSR7Jp%2FiMp6b4J1dH6IvZCaGHqY%3D&reserved=0> for the StratML standard, particularly with reference to plans and reports that should be matters of public record.  For charities, it is what warrants GuideStar's platinum shield<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flearn.guidestar.org%2Fplatinum&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331644475&sdata=xiOI3J27hkFWmcwZ8nwPuJ32dBTq7m93LY8swt2TfUU%3D&reserved=0>.

If the orgs responsible for such plans and reports are unwilling or unable to publish them in such format, others can do it for them.  Encouraging and facilitating such reporting is the aim of the AboutThem.info<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faboutthem.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331644475&sdata=%2Bm61KXbTGIXp9Mq%2FCKQPQv7VjtjZ7yz8fhvJKjIPfm4%3D&reserved=0> domain. (Ideally, it would become a "safe" domain, accommodating no mobile code, only valid StratML instance documents, i.e., reliable, well-defined and structured data.)

Second and third parties would add value by evaluating and reporting degrees of confidence and concurrence/disagreement with self- and other-reported results.  (The most valuable second-party reports would be from beneficiary stakeholders but third-party observers would aggregate, analyze, compare and otherwise add value to such reports, as various rating and ranking services already do, in proprietary ways.)  See StratML tool, app, and service requirement Goal 10: Results Auditing & Validation<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2Fpart2%2FSMLTASwStyle.xml%23_15447dd2-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331654469&sdata=fGmpRag%2Fi5lBl67Id47Q6C%2FYHZu1ItosfGUvCg88j%2F0%3D&reserved=0> - Analyze and report to stakeholders the degrees to which the results of interest to them are being accurately measured and reported by the organizations establishing the relevant goals and objectives.  Results would be routinely reported for all public objectives, worldwide, including corporate objectives of regulatory concern.  Eventually, orgs failing to do so would become non-beings as their resources are withdrawn by their stakeholders and they cease to exist.  (Politicians should be among the first to suffer that fate.)

Such is the vision of more efficient, effective, credible, and valuable reporting (as well as advertising/marketing) services in the not-too-distant future.

Those who prefer to write "creative" stories and engage in marketing hype will continue to find a vast market for fiction, as the truth continues to be less important to those who aren't required to work for a living in order to efficiently produce results benefiting others, beyond the momentary pleasure of it all.  Come to think of it, that seems pretty much already to be the case... except the distinction between storytelling and performance reporting should become clearer as more people decline to be fooled all of the time.

In any event, as I learn of them and as time permits, I will continue documenting in StratML format the plans of those who are aiming to help make information more credible on the Web.

Owen
On 1/6/2020 6:21 PM, connie im dialog wrote:
hi owen,
unfortunately this newsQ event isn't open but we're hoping for an opportunity later in the year.   re: description of the project, i would say the credco one is always going to be a little out of date given the ability to update that database, but perhaps this is an opportunity to have two StratML formats (the first is self-reported, the second is third-party collected, does that make sense?)

thanks also for the metafact flag!

cheers,
connie
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:33 PM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net<mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote:

In light of the cancellation of the CredWeb CG meeting tomorrow, I now plan to listen in on the Data Coalition's session on the U.S. federal government's data strategy action plan.  If anyone else may wish to do so, the contact and registration info is available at https://www.datacoalition.org/event/informational-conference-call-federal-data-strategy-year-1-action-plan/<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.datacoalition.org%2Fevent%2Finformational-conference-call-federal-data-strategy-year-1-action-plan%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331654469&sdata=c83pr4CHr%2FmTyuzsa9674ZPeuq92eyWIJtx0StvUj0Y%3D&reserved=0>

The content of the action plan is available in StratML format at http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/2020APwStyle.xml<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2Fpart2%2F2020APwStyle.xml&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331664465&sdata=nCZ9e%2FHTqynb3d6XtBZBlGrE5sgymIDIW%2FjqunebHVQ%3D&reserved=0>  Several of the planned actions are closely related to the quality and credibility of information.  In a sense, all of them are.  From my perspective, the last one, Action 20<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2Fpart2%2F2020APwStyle.xml%23_b19de10e-2dd4-11ea-a6d4-d5cd0183ea00&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331664465&sdata=%2F2QQ38Ozd0Q78l8R0Dgb7duWKNUWFd3eCa4BdaDuX18%3D&reserved=0>, holds the greatest potential. It seems to me to be the key to Action 3<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2Fpart2%2F2020APwStyle.xml%23_b19db1fc-2dd4-11ea-a6d4-d5cd0183ea00&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331674460&sdata=RZ6ciEzMuzBbMwZ0SPHicV7ibCS%2FhlqZWSiLenM0rNQ%3D&reserved=0>, Maturity.  See also the reference to "immaturity" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_document<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMachine-readable_document&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331674460&sdata=sfHO2BCdEuoG8m%2FwosNmie%2BTw1av2JFRMITWn1jBhOA%3D&reserved=0>

Is the NewsQ event open and will it be available online?  NewsQ's about statement is available in StratML format at http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/NQwStyle.xml<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fcarmel%2Fiso%2FNQwStyle.xml&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331674460&sdata=YJpcm1OB6N8qmcgdhPJTXEM10oHayfO7UFCUmKOnEWM%3D&reserved=0>  However, I see the Credibility Coalition also has a description of the project, including descriptions of related projects, at https://credibilitycoalition.org/credcatalog/project/newsq/

<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcredibilitycoalition.org%2Fcredcatalog%2Fproject%2Fnewsq%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331684451&sdata=884xq9R2zPK8E1MNyL7RvSCkLw%2FsFqCQVBGVtzpYZhc%3D&reserved=0>

I see that it includes a project named MetaFact.  Coincidentally, I just learned<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fastcompany.com%2F90445139%2Fthis-startup-is-fighting-indias-fake-news-problem-on-whatsapp&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331684451&sdata=OnxQnWXY2wONgkkPINvg%2B7Yb1hIz0NZ%2B0gZqLFF8eCA%3D&reserved=0> of another one by the same name, whose about statement is now available in StratML format at http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#MTFCT<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstratml.us%2Fdrybridge%2Findex.htm%23MTFCT&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Ce10abd6f23dc4f63cbe508d7931d0dc2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637139625331694449&sdata=9FhlQDMknB5NRZN1ntBNOT3W37yvALpdnJ8kuz%2FS3wc%3D&reserved=0>
Owen

On 1/6/2020 8:55 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
I'm cancelling tomorrow's CredWeb meeting, as people seem to have a lot of conflicting priorities this week.

Next week there's no meeting due to a conflict with a NewsQ event.

So we'll next meet Jan 21.

I hope you all are having a relatively pleasant and productive new year.

      -- Sandro





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