Re: The German Government slams JSON-LD

>But The more important thing is that the 1000’s of regulations, conformity
schemes, international conventions, etc, publish their “rulebooks” in a
digitally referenceable way, not only as a big PDF containing 100’s of
rules and stored at a url that could change any moment

+1

la 28. helmik. 2026 klo 0.45 Steve Capell <steve.capell@gmail.com>
kirjoitti:

> I think the article conflates the idea of being clear about what you mean
> with varying technology implementations.  What EUDI calls rulebooks, UNTP
> calls conformity vocabularies. See
> https://untp.unece.org/docs/specification/ConformityVocabularyCatalog
> (note - significant update to this page coming in a week or so).  The key
> thing to understand is that the semantic meaning challenge is not about the
> little vocabulary that UNTP itself defines (properties of DPPs etc) but the
> much larger set of regulations, standards, and conformity schemes that
> exist and are the reference for product and facility performance claims and
> assessments.  These are not controlled by UNTP and collectively represent a
> distributed vocabulary 1000 times the size of the core UNTP vocabulary.
>
> So the UNTP CVC is essentially a catalog of rulebooks together with a
> standard way of publishing a rulebook. And this architecture would be
> largely unchanged whether CVC scheme vocabularies and UNTP credentials that
> reference them are JSON, JSON-LD, XML, or any other syntax.
>
>  json-LD is a nice way to link meaning.  But The more important thing is
> that the 1000’s of regulations, conformity schemes, international
> conventions, etc, publish their “rulebooks” in a digitally referenceable
> way, not only as a big PDF containing 100’s of rules and stored at a url
> that could change any moment
>
> So I think we should stop arguing about technical syntax and start
> campaigning for authoritative meaning being anchored to stable URLs
>
> Steven Capell
> UN/CEFACT Vice-Chair
> Mob: +61 410 437854
>
> > On 28 Feb 2026, at 1:02 am, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 8:34 AM Lluís Alfons Ariño Martín
> > <lluisalfons.arino@urv.cat> wrote:
> >> But it is wrong that SD-JWT VC provides unlinkability. Wrong that JSON
> Schema can express what @context expresses. Wrong that @context is heavy
> semantic-web processing inside wallets. Wrong that BBS has been killed by
> regulation. And wrong that the choice is between JSON-LD inside credentials
> and semantics in rulebooks - because @context is the bridge between the
> two, not an alternative to either.
> >
> > Lluís, that was a masterful response! You hit all the right points and
> > are, as far as I can tell, correct on all of them. Is there any chance
> > you could publish your response online somewhere, we should boost your
> > response as it effectively combats the misinformation. Same for your
> > post, Carsten, can we get it at a permanent link?
> >
> > Carsten, thank you for pointing out that the EU, and even the "German
> > government", do use the very technologies that SPRIN-D employees are
> > arguing against.
> >
> > It is frustrating that we keep having to push back on this
> > misinformation from SPRIN-D employees and OpenID Foundation members;
> > it's been going on for a while now, and it's really getting out of
> > hand. I continue to try to believe that it's not intentional, but the
> > fact that we've communicated these exact points to both SPRIN-D and
> > OpenID Foundation members multiple times over many years makes it
> > difficult to keep the faith.
> >
> > The reality is that even though these "personal" blog posts and
> > communication from SPRIN-D employees cannot represent the German
> > government's views, they are absolutely being interpreted as such by
> > other government personnel. I do participate in US government agency
> > meetings and I can assure you that posts like the one that Lluís so
> > eloquently dismantled are being interpreted as the German government,
> > and the EU/EC's position.
> >
> > That will not change until folks within the EU start pushing back on
> > the rhetoric, like Lluís and Carsten are doing, in a public way that
> > the rest of us can point to as counter-arguments that are coming from
> > within the EU.
> >
> > -- manu
> >
> > --
> > Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
> > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> > https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
> >
>
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