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📝 Notes
Feb 23, 2026
Meeting Feb 23, 2026 at 10:58 EST
Meeting records Transcript <?tab=t.jq0pqvhf7hgf> Recording
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JQATMTCiqb6Pt_WcWQD0gW88LAxgjPqG/view?usp=drive_web>
Summary
The meeting opened with Ildiko Mazar welcoming participants and setting the
agenda to discuss the recent digital credential summit in Philadelphia. Key
takeaways from the summit included a sense of maturity in conversations,
the presence of employers, and several significant announcements. Rob Coyle
highlighted the launch of the Strata site and One Tech's initiatives,
including the Case Global Ecosystem and preliminary API implementation
research. Nate Otto detailed Strata Education Foundation's resources for
Learning Mobility Collaboratives, featuring three proposed Open Badges
interoperability profiles. Phillip Long discussed ACRO's "Infused" project
for deriving skills from campus documents. Gillian W. presented the digital
credential co-writer tool, designed to streamline the creation of Open
Badges 3.0 compliant credential templates. Challenges related to employer
consumption of credentials and Applicant Tracking Systems (ATSs) were a
major focus. One Tech is researching employer data needs, and the community
is shifting towards building credential verification and consumption
solutions, with nearly complete Open Badges 3.0 implementation among
vendors. There was also a discussion on shifting the focus from
employability to learner-centric use cases.
Details
- *Meeting Opening and Logistics*: The call was opened by Ildiko Mazar,
with standard protocols for transcription and recording being confirmed due
to past issues. The agenda focused on feedback from the digital credential
summit in Philadelphia.
- *IPR and Meeting Protocols*: Participants were reminded of the W3C
Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) agreements for substantive
contributions. The meeting was recorded and transcribed using Google Meet,
with materials to be posted on GitHub. Interaction was encouraged via chat
or by raising a hand.
- *Announcements and Upcoming Events*: Ildiko Mazar announced attendance
at a micro-credentials master class in Amsterdam. Phillip Long reminded
attendees of an identity workshop scheduled for the last week of April in
Mountain View, California.
- *Digital Credential Summit Reflections*: Rob Coyle reported on the
summit, noting its maturity, the presence of employers, and approximately
80 sessions over three days.
- *Key Summit Announcements*:
- *Strata Site Launch*: Nate Otto elaborated on resources for
Learning Mobility Collaboratives.
- *One Tech Initiatives*: Announcement of a new Case Global Ecosystem
to connect case networks and repositories. Release of early
research on API
implementations based on a survey of credential and wallet platforms.
- *Learning Mobility Collaborative Resources*: Nate Otto discussed
Strata Education Foundation's release of resources for learning mobility
collaboratives, including a guide for Open Badges interoperability. Three
interoperability profiles for Open Badges were proposed: one using
Verifiable Credentials API, another using Open ID specs, and a third using
direct file transfer.
- *ACRO's "Infused" Project*: Phillip Long mentioned ACRO's project to
derive skills from campus documents like syllabi to create a skills
repository. While acknowledging it as a positive step, he reiterated past
concerns about inferred skills lacking direct evidence of acquisition.
- *Digital Credential Co-Writer Tool*: Gillian W. presented a tool
developed with One Origin and George Washington University's laser tool.
This AI-powered tool extracts skills from text and maps them to taxonomy
databases (e.g., ESCO) to generate Open Badges 3.0 compliant credential
templates, aiming to reduce manual design time.
- *Credential Issuance at the Summit*: Territorium, a badge sponsor,
issued official credentials to all participants and presenters, marking the
first time in 10 years. Nate Otto demonstrated innovative "ebadges" – small
wearable devices displaying earned badges.
- *Focus on Workforce Challenges and Employer Consumption*: Discussions
centered on solving workforce challenges and improving credential
consumption by employers. Employers often struggle with technical
terminology and seek information on durable and transferable skills like
professionalism and reliability.
- *Research on Employer Data Needs*: One Tech has initiated research to
identify specific data employers seek in credentials. Preliminary findings
are expected to be synthesized into reports by early May.
- *Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) Challenges*: Phillip Long
highlighted that ATSs currently discard credential attachments and only
process text content using AI, hindering the recognition of detailed
credential information. The Trusted Career Profile (TCP) aims to address
this through point-to-point transfer of compound credentials with JSON
objects.
- *Open Badges 3.0 Implementation Status*: Nate Otto observed that Open
Badges 3.0 implementation is nearly complete among vendors. The focus is
now shifting to building verification and consumption tools. Nate Otto
announced plans to release an open-source verification tool in partnership
with the US Chamber of Commerce Foundation. Dmitri Zagidulin emphasized the
need for consumption solutions beyond basic verification, such as
integration with admissions desks and ATSs.
- *Learner-Centric Use Cases*: A keynote speaker pointed out the
frequent focus on employment and employability, neglecting the learner's
perspective. Exploring new use cases for credentials in everyday life,
beyond job searches, was suggested to accelerate machine processability.
This was identified as a potential topic for future discussion.
Suggested next steps
- Gillian W. will share the link to the DCC credential co-writer general
public testing tool.
- Rob Coyle will present research reports on employer data to the
community, ideally in early May.
- Ildiko Mazar will share feedback from the micro-credentials master
class.
Text:
https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-vcs-for-education-2026-02-23.md
Video:
https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-vcs-for-education-2026-02-23.mp4
📝 Notes
Feb 23, 2026
Meeting Feb 23, 2026 at 10:58 EST
Meeting records Transcript <?tab=t.jq0pqvhf7hgf> Recording
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JQATMTCiqb6Pt_WcWQD0gW88LAxgjPqG/view?usp=drive_web>
Summary
Ildiko Mazar opened the call and led a discussion with participants,
including Rob Coyle, Phillip Long, Nate Otto, Gillian W., and Dmitri
Zagidulin, summarizing key events and announcements from the recent digital
credential summit in Philadelphia. Rob Coyle highlighted the launch of the
Strata site and One Tech's announcements regarding the Case Global
Ecosystem and preliminary research on API implementations, while Nate Otto
detailed Strata Education Foundation's resources for Learning Mobility
Collaboratives, including three proposed Open Badges interoperability
profiles. Phillip Long mentioned ACRO's "Infused" project for deriving
skills from campus documents, and Gillian W. presented the digital
credential co-writer tool designed to generate Open Badges 3.0 compliant
credential templates. The group also discussed challenges with employer
consumption and Applicant Tracking Systems (ATSs), with Rob Coyle noting
One Tech's research on employer data needs, and Nate Otto and Dmitri
Zagidulin emphasizing the community's shift to focusing on building
credential verification and consumption solutions, especially with nearly
complete Open Badges 3.0 implementation among vendors.
Details
-
*Meeting Commencement and Logistics*: Ildiko Mazar officially opened the
call, noting the usual practice of waiting a couple of minutes for
additional participants to join (00:00:00 <#00:00:00>). The call was
held on Monday, February 23rd, and the agenda included discussing feedback
from the recent digital credential summit (00:02:59 <#00:02:59>). Ildiko
Mazar also ensured the transcription was enabled, following previous
technical issues that resulted in missing meeting minutes (00:00:00
<#00:00:00>).
-
*IPR Compliance and Meeting Protocols*: Participants were reminded to
ensure their substantive contributions were made as CCG members, with the
full Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) agreements available on the
website. The call is recorded and transcribed using Google Meet, and the
resulting materials will be posted on GitHub (00:02:59 <#00:02:59>).
Participants can join the discussion by typing in the chat or raising their
hand to join the speaker queue (00:04:19 <#00:04:19>).
-
*Upcoming Events and Announcements*: Ildiko Mazar announced their
upcoming attendance at a micro-credentials master class in Amsterdam,
hosted by one tech, taking place the following morning (00:04:19
<#00:04:19>). Phillip Long reminded the group about the identity
workshop scheduled for the last week of April at the computer science
museum in Mountain View, California (00:05:32 <#00:05:32>).
-
*Digital Credential Summit Report and Reflections*: The main topic of
the meeting focused on reports and reflections from the digital credential
summit held in Philadelphia the previous week (00:06:45 <#00:06:45>).
Rob Coyle reported that the three-day summit featured around 80 sessions
and had a palpable sense of maturity in the conversations, including the
presence of employers (00:07:45 <#00:07:45>).
-
*Key Announcements from the Summit*: Rob Coyle highlighted several
announcements, including the launch of the Strata site (which Nate Otto
elaborated on later) and One Tech's announcement of a new Case Global
Ecosystem to develop infrastructure connecting various case networks and
repositories. One Tech also released an early draft of research concerning
API implementations, based on a survey of approximately 100 credential and
wallet platforms to establish ground truth on credential movement (
00:08:55 <#00:08:55>).
-
*Learning Mobility Collaborative Report*: Nate Otto provided details on
the Strata Education Foundation's release of resources for Learning
Mobility Collaboratives, which are groups of organizations coordinating on
the implementation of technologies like digital credentials (00:10:16
<#00:10:16>). Nate Otto contributed a guide for interoperability within
these collaboratives, proposing three interoperability profiles for Open
Badges: one using the verifiable credentials API, another using Open ID
specs, and a third using direct file transfer methods (00:11:24
<#00:11:24>).
-
*ACRO Presentation on Skills-Based Credentials*: Phillip Long mentioned
presentations by ACRO (American Association of Collegiate Registrars and
Admissions Officers) on their project, "Infused," which attempts to derive
skills from campus written documents, such as syllabi, to create a skills
repository. Phillip Long acknowledged the effort as a positive direction,
though they expressed previous critique regarding inferred skills lacking
direct evidence of acquisition or demonstrated performance (00:15:08
<#00:15:08>).
-
*Digital Credential Co-Writer Tool*: Gillian W. presented the digital
credential co-writer, a tool developed in collaboration with One Origin and
George Washington University's laser tool, which is an AI-generated skills
extraction tool (00:16:51 <#00:16:51>). This tool extracts skills from
text and connects them to taxonomy databases like ESCO, and its purpose is
to generate an Open Badges 3.0 compliant credential template to reduce
manual design time (00:18:17 <#00:18:17>). Gillian W. noted a need for
continued educational outreach on standards, as many new attendees were not
fully familiar with them (00:19:29 <#00:19:29>).
-
*Credential Issuance at the Summit*: Rob Coyle mentioned that
Territorium, a badge sponsor, issued official credentials to all
participants and presenters at the summit, the first time credentials had
been issued at the event in 10 years. Nate Otto also demonstrated
innovative ways of connecting digital credentials to the real world using
"ebadges"—small, screen-based devices pinned to clothing that could display
earned badges (00:22:06 <#00:22:06>).
-
*Focus on Workforce Challenges and Employer Consumption*: Participants
discussed how the conversations at the summit focused on solving workforce
challenges and the consumption of credentials by employers (00:27:28
<#00:27:28>). Gillian W. noted the importance of credentialing systems
being flexible and agile to keep pace with quickly shifting workforce needs
(00:28:41 <#00:28:41>). Rob Coyle and Gillian W. noted that employers
often struggle with the technical terminology and data within credentials,
specifically seeking information on durable and transferable skills like
basic professionalism and reliability (00:29:58 <#00:29:58>).
-
*Research on Employer Data Needs*: Rob Coyle stated that One Tech has
begun preliminary research to determine the exact data employers are
seeking in credentials, with high-level data points shared at the summit (
00:31:05 <#00:31:05>). They anticipate having synthesized data and
reports available for presentation to the community, possibly in the early
May timeframe (00:33:33 <#00:33:33>).
-
*Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) Challenges*: Phillip Long highlighted
the challenge posed by Applicant Tracking Systems (ATSs), which currently
discard all credential attachments and only process the text content using
AI for ranking candidates (00:34:43 <#00:34:43>). The Trusted Career
Profile (TCP) is an effort to construct compound credentials with JSON
objects for point-to-point transfer to an employer, addressing issues like
incompatible JSON schema versions in older HR systems (00:36:00
<#00:36:00>).
-
*Open Badges 3.0 Implementation Status*: Nate Otto observed that Open
Badges 3.0 implementation is nearly complete across vendors who attended
the summit, marking a significant change from the previous year. Nate Otto
concluded that the focus needs to shift to building verification and
consumption tools, noting they will be releasing an open-source
verification side tool soon in partnership with the US Chamber of Commerce
Foundation (00:40:57 <#00:40:57>). Dmitri Zagidulin emphasized the
community's need for consumption solutions, such as integration with
admissions desks and ATSs, beyond basic verification (00:42:03
<#00:42:03>).
-
*Learner-Centric Use Cases*: Rob Coyle shared a point made by a keynote
speaker that conversations too often focus on employment and employability,
rather than the learner's perspective (00:48:06 <#00:48:06>). They
suggested exploring new use cases for credentials in everyday life, not
just during job searches, to accelerate the machine processability of
credentials (00:47:02 <#00:47:02>). Ildiko Mazar suggested that the
learner's perspective could be a topic for future discussion (00:48:06
<#00:48:06>).
Suggested next steps
- [ ] gillian w will share the link to the dcc credential co-writer
general public testing tool with this group soon.
- [ ] Rob Coyle will present the actual reports on the research around
employer data to this community, hopefully in the early May timeframe.
- [ ] Ildiko Mazar will share how the micro credentials master class
went.
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📖 Transcript
Feb 23, 2026
Meeting Feb 23, 2026 at 10:58 EST - Transcript 00:00:00 {#00:00:00}
*Ildiko Mazar:* Hello.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* Hello.
*Ildiko Mazar:* How are you?
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* Good. How are you?
*Ildiko Mazar:* All right. Hello, Rob. Thanks for joining. In principle,
it's time to start,
*Rob Coyle:* Okay.
*Ildiko Mazar:* but we usually give a couple of minutes for people other
than the usual suspects to
*Rob Coyle:* Seven.
*Ildiko Mazar:* uh turn up. So, with your permission, we'll wait a couple
of minutes. Thank you. Demetri, do you know if Julian will join us?
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* I will I will ping her. Go go go ahead though. Uh, feel
free to get started without her, but I I I'll ping her on uh
*Ildiko Mazar:* That's okay. I just haven't heard from her and I don't know
if you may have spoken with her. You're you're in the same time zoneish I
guess. And just to check because uh the last time we had some uh
technological problems uh with the transcription and we didn't receive the
the meeting minutes. Um I pressed the transcription button before I joined.
00:02:59 {#00:02:59}
*Ildiko Mazar:* I don't know if you did the same uh Dimmitri but I don't
know if I think this should be automatic but nevertheless let's hope this
time we will be more successful. Okay, then uh slowly we can get started
because anyway as per usual we will start with the regular uh disclaimers.
*Rob Coyle:* Thank
*Ildiko Mazar:* So welcome everybody uh at today's uh call.
*Rob Coyle:* you.
*Ildiko Mazar:* It's the 23rd of February Monday and uh we are going to
discuss uh some feedback from the digital credential summit that took place
uh last week. Before we get started, usually uh we uh ask people to uh make
their substantive contributions as CCG uh members.
*Rob Coyle:* This
*Ildiko Mazar:* So I think you all are uh but uh in case you aren't uh you
can uh
*Rob Coyle:* is
*Ildiko Mazar:* find the full IPR agreements uh on the website and you have
to have a W3 account. Um, as you can see, we use Google Meet to conduct the
calls and these should be recorded and transcribed and will be available on
GitHub once uh they are processed.
00:04:19 {#00:04:19}
*Ildiko Mazar:* Um, you can uh join the conversation by typing in the chat
or raise your hand
*Rob Coyle:* I
*Ildiko Mazar:* and ask to join the speaker queue.
*Rob Coyle:* just
*Ildiko Mazar:* Today we should be uh talking more um interactively uh
about uh the conference and uh if you have uh if you have any new people I
don't think so but uh uh we usually spare a few moments to introduce and
reintroduce some uh
*Rob Coyle:* see
*Ildiko Mazar:* members. Is there anybody who would like to introduce or
reintroduce themselves? I thought so and if not then uh there's also a
couple of minutes that we can devote to announcements and reminders. So if
there are any noteworthy uh news that you would like to share uh with the
*Rob Coyle:* Okay.
*Ildiko Mazar:* task force or would like to announce uh events happening
then please please feel free to raise your hand or type in the chat. One
thing that uh I can comment on is that tomorrow morning um I along with
some other people from this group uh are going to Amsterdam for the micro
credentials uh
00:05:32 {#00:05:32}
*Rob Coyle:* Everyone
*Ildiko Mazar:* master class that is also hosted by uh one tech. So hope to
see some of you there. Is there anything else happening on the other side
of the pond maybe?
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* That's very exciting, the the master class part. Uh
hope to hear how it
*Ildiko Mazar:* Absolutely.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* went.
*Ildiko Mazar:* I think uh some of the people who joined uh the conference
in Philadelphia might need a reminder as well. I don't know how they will
deal with the jet lag but uh it's quite an undertaking to such events uh in
quick succession but uh I'm totally uh stoked and look forward to
participating and uh learning. So yes, uh, Phil, do you want to take the
mic or it's just just a quick comment?
*Phillip Long:* Uh just a reminder that the um identity workshop uh is
coming up in April in the computer science museum in Mountain View,
California. Uh I don't recall the dates. Maybe Dimmitri, you have the dates
handy.
*Rob Coyle:* The
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* Uh, it's the the last week of April.
00:06:45 {#00:06:45}
*Rob Coyle:* next
*Phillip Long:* Um
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* Uh, and and I appreciate you bringing it up.
*Phillip Long:* yeah.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* It's never too early to start planning.
*Rob Coyle:* question.
*Phillip Long:* Yeah.
*Ildiko Mazar:* That's all
*Phillip Long:* One of the better ones.
*Ildiko Mazar:* right. Okay. If there are other ones uh you either should
have spoken or you can still uh paste the
*Rob Coyle:* Okay.
*Ildiko Mazar:* links and dates and uh places into the chat. But now we can
move on to our main uh topic which is uh the report and reflections uh
about uh the digital credential summit that took place in
*Rob Coyle:* Please.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Philadelphia last week. And uh we do have uh Rob Coyle with
us. Thank you very much for accepting the invite. I don't know how many of
you in the room uh have attended so you can either raise your hand or uh
type in the chat if you were there and we would absolutely love to hear how
you um felt and uh what feedback you would like to relay to the
00:07:45 {#00:07:45}
*Rob Coyle:* Sure.
*Ildiko Mazar:* BC Edu task force. So and thanks Nate for the reference to
the credits. So Rob, take it away please. Thank you.
*Rob Coyle:* Uh happy. Hopefully you guys can hear me. Okay. Uh the I know
the the storms in the region are are impacting a lot of uh internet
connections uh this week. Um I can just talk about a few things. Um but
there were a number of you who were at the event too. So please uh chime in
and and share your thoughts uh and impressions as well. Uh so yeah we had
uh the summit uh last week in Philadelphia uh in the eastern side of the
United States. Um very fortunate that we dodged the snow that we got over
the weekend. Uh we had uh I think about 80 sessions throughout the the
three days. Uh, and there was a lot of, uh, exciting energy. Um, it felt
different this year. Um, I feel like it feels a little different every
year, but there but there was just, uh, more maturity to a lot of the
conversations.
00:08:55 {#00:08:55}
*Rob Coyle:* Uh, we're getting a lot of um, a lot of positive feedback. Uh,
we had some employers uh, there, which is often exciting because that feels
like the the missing uh, piece. Uh there was some uh exciting
announcements. Um I'm I won't steal Nate's thunder, but uh I don't know
Nate if you want to talk about the um the the Strata site that dropped last
week. Um so I'll I'll defer to Nate on that. Uh one tech also announced a
new case global ecosystem where we're helping to develop some
infrastructure to connect various uh case networks and case repositories
together. Uh we um we also launched or I shouldn't say we released an early
draft of some re uh research that we had done around API implementations.
uh and again there's a number of uh people on this call who participated in
that uh but we surveyed uh about a 100 different credential and wallet
platforms uh and invited their their feedback on various uh API and
transport mechanisms uh that they have uh implemented within their system
so we could start to establish some ground truth about what's really
happening in terms of moving credentials.
00:10:16 {#00:10:16}
*Rob Coyle:* Uh so we have some preliminary data on that uh that we
released last week. Uh I'm trying to think of what are some of the other
big highlights. Um we we did just a lot of great uh conversations. Um as
always at these events, um the presentations are great, but the panels and
the the hallway conversations are usually the most exciting part. Um what
what else? Um Nate, Phil, um Gileian, you all were there. What were what
were your some of your uh your takeaways?
*Phillip Long:* Go for a net.
*Nate Otto:* Hopefully, my audio is still coming through pretty well. Um,
I'm away from my computer while I'm making breakfast here, so I can't share
the link, but um, as Rob mentioned, Strata Education Foundation, uh, in
collaboration with my company, Skybridge Skills and Dextera released a and
ed design lab released
*Rob Coyle:* This is
*Nate Otto:* a series of reports and, um, resources for what they call
learning mobility collaboratives.
*Rob Coyle:* Oh my
*Nate Otto:* uh learning mobility collaborative is a group of organizations
that want to coordinate on
00:11:24 {#00:11:24}
*Rob Coyle:* god.
*Nate Otto:* the implementation of technologies like digital credentials uh
together and um so for example like a state uh or region uh government
collaborating with a consortium of educational institutions within that
region as well as employers. So a learning mobility collaborative usually
represents both uh entities on the um credential issuing side as well as on
the credential consumption side and their you know challenge is to come up
with an ecosystem that's actually interoperable. So to this report which
you can access at learningmobilityc collaborative.org or um I added or I
contributed a guide for interoperability um for how to use open badges
which are verifiable credentials within a learning mobility collaborative
from a technical perspective. The guide is intended to be for buyers of
software as well as for the developers of it. Um and so it has some
checklists for how developers can complete certain workflows with um open
badges verifiable credentials. Um and this has three for you notably for
the folks on this call uh it has three interoperability profiles proposed
for open badges that represent um some of my research about approaches that
are happening in the field.
00:12:51
*Rob Coyle:* This is
*Nate Otto:* And I would love to hear some comments uh and have review from
people who are implementing open badges to see how close we've gotten on
our first drafts of these uh profiles.
*Rob Coyle:* Yes.
*Nate Otto:* One of them uses um the verifiable credentials API for life
cycle management and another one uses the open ID uh specs and then a third
one uses direct file download and upload or
*Rob Coyle:* Yes.
*Nate Otto:* JSON pasting to move uh credentials around uh and does not use
DIDs for the the
*Rob Coyle:* Yes, it
*Nate Otto:* recipient. So anyway, u that that was one of the items that
that we talked about at the event.
*Rob Coyle:* is.
*Nate Otto:* I was started to get a lot of great feedback and I would
welcome a little more. Um I'll go off the mic for now and and if there's
any questions about this, I could address it. Um and then if I have other
um feedback or general comments, I can come back on the queue later.
*Ildiko Mazar:* That's great. Thank you, Nate.
00:13:46
*Ildiko Mazar:* Uh, Phil, you already have a reflection.
*Phillip Long:* Well, I just wanted to emphasize the the report Nate did
was really well done and I recommend it to anyone. I think one of the
things it addresses which is uh a challenge for many institutions that are
approaching this and they may have good developers but they may not be
familiar with the JSON world and or um the implementation decisions that
have to be made throughout the process of making an effective and
sustainable uh issuing platform and and the creation of these credentials
and the creation of these profiles is I think a a really important step to
minimize the optionality so the decision at each point have at least a
recommendation that is coherent with the rest of the implementation profile
and um hopefully for those that are perhaps good developers but less
familiar with this domain uh it will make it easier for them so I think
that's a major contribution um the other things at that meeting I I agree
with Rob. The pre reason we go is to have those hallway conversations, not
to diminish the the presenters in any way, but that's uh that's where the
value presentation typically lies.
00:15:08 {#00:15:08}
*Phillip Long:* And um there were two you know ACRO the American
Association ACI of administrative uh admissions and and registr um in the
US presented a couple of things um associated with one of their of their
projects. The one that's interesting from my perspective is infused in that
it is trying to derive um skills based on uh the the various written
documents that are available on a campus syllab from that skill create a
skills uh repository effectively for the campus that uh individuals can
look at their credentials and and
*Rob Coyle:* Heat.
*Phillip Long:* draw the skills that they think they might have from
amongst those that are are highlighted as that they if they were paying
attention should have acquired but not necessarily. Um so uh so I think
that's an interesting attempt.
*Rob Coyle:* Heat.
*Phillip Long:* I have been critical of that in the past. Um because
inferred skills without uh direct evidence as to their acquisition and the
monster of performance by individuals is a question that I still think
needs research around. Um but in the spirit of trying to move institutions
forward in this way uh being the slowm moving beasts that they are I think
it's at least nudge in the right direction.
00:16:51 {#00:16:51}
*Phillip Long:* Um and I was uh pleased that this more workforce related uh
uh participants and presentations. Uh this seems to reflect common of
institutions of higher education starting to recognize they live in a world
where people are going to college for multiple reasons including getting a
job and um and are being to that. um not fast enough in life, but they're
still being at least they're starting to raise themselves uh into the
conversations where they should be. I'll let anybody else go from
*Ildiko Mazar:* Thank you, Gillian. Thank you for joining.
*gillian w:* Hi.
*Rob Coyle:* Oh,
*gillian w:* Yes. Can Can you hear me? Okay. Okay. Sorry, I'm not I'm not
super um great at at Google Meet.
*Rob Coyle:* okay.
*gillian w:* Um yes, I think it was a great week. Um I presented on the dcc
credential co-writer, which is a tool that we've been working on in
collaboration with a couple of different groups. We have one origin who is
our contract um engineers and then we've been working with um George
Washington University's laser tool which is a um AI generated skills
extraction tool.
00:18:17 {#00:18:17}
*Rob Coyle:* Is that
*gillian w:* So it reads um like uh text and then extracts skills from that
and connects that
*Rob Coyle:* it?
*gillian w:* to um a number of of skills taxonomy databases. Currently just
ESCO I think they're trying to connect to ONET as well but at the moment
just ESCO. Um and then um GWU who is offering their trove of free
accessible um course materials, badges, syllabi, skills, yada yada yada is
testing all of it. And then also we're working with open edex um to develop
a plugin or an extension for the open adex community so they can use this
tool as well. Basically, we should be sharing we should be sharing the link
out to the general public soon just for testing. It's still very much under
development. Um but so I should be able to share it with this group. Um but
basically what it does is you plug in um course materials like syllabi like
just course descriptions,
*Rob Coyle:* business.
*gillian w:* things of that nature and then it generates a open badges 3.0
no compliant um credential template.
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*gillian w:* So it doesn't issue badges itself. It just provides that
credential template. So it's meant to cut back on the amount of manual time
people are spending designing the different um you know metadata that goes
into open badges 3.0. Um so demoed that tool. Um I think it went pretty
well. I as as others have said, I think that there were more mature
conversations being had at at the digital credential summit than I've
*Rob Coyle:* conversation. Let me
*gillian w:* seen in other um conferences and in other events.
*Rob Coyle:* see.
*gillian w:* And I think that was really refreshing. Although I did I did
recognize after giving my presentation that there were still folks in my
audience at least who were not super familiar with the standards um despite
being at a conference hosted by a standards body. So, I think that that's
another takeaway that I have that that is one of the things that the DCC
does is as is provide a lot of like educational outreach on this stuff. I
think we need to continue to do that um so that
00:20:28
*Rob Coyle:* education.
*gillian w:* people um are, you know, are getting the most out of out of
the technology and out of these kinds of events. Um but yeah, I think I
think it was great.
*Rob Coyle:* I'll just kind of echo um briefly uh a point that that Gillian
just raised about uh somewhere between onethird uh to one half of the
participants at the summit were new. This is the first time they've been to
that event. So I think um yes there would have been a lot of folks there
who were still learning uh and um but I think it's exciting that we're
seeing that continued expansion. New new people are coming into the
conversation. Uh we're seeing you know more of a a proliferation of the
specifications and the standards out there more excitement. Um so we are
seeing continuing to to get new new new people into the conversation which
I think is is exciting as well. Um I'll also uh Nate's putting some awesome
uh links uh in the in the chat there. One of the things that um that we did
uh this year is we uh we had u a badge sponsor uh who uh on behalf of
Oneote Tech issued credentials to all the participants uh and all of the
presenters uh and uh you could stack some of those credentials uh into uh
you know into other um stackable credentials.
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*Rob Coyle:* We also invited a number of uh of individuals including Nate
uh to participate uh in a more interactive event issuing various
credentials so that we could learn a lot of fun things uh about the learner
experience. Um and we had some really really uh innovative creative uh
badges that were created. Nate did quite a few. Uh Nate also walked around
with some really cool tech uh on him uh really uh adding a lot of
excitement uh as you know we could was showing showing some of the badges
that he had uh earned right available um through a digital display. So
there's just a lot of neat uh fun innovations.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* Who was the badge sponsor that issued the badges?
*Rob Coyle:* uh Territorium. Territorium uh was our was our sponsor this
year. It's something new. It's a it's a various it's a specific sponsorship
package that will um uh that we did for the first time this year. I imagine
we'll continue to do this at future events as well. Um so it's kind of a
first come first serve.
00:23:16
*Rob Coyle:* Uh but uh but we were really excited to be able to this is the
first time in 10 years that we've we've actually issued credentials at a
credential summit. I don't know why uh but really excited that we got to
that point.
*Ildiko Mazar:* meat.
*Nate Otto:* Yeah, and uh to clarify on on something Rob said, um
Territorium issued the official badges for the event and then um as as Rob
said,
*Rob Coyle:* Oops.
*Nate Otto:* he invited other participants to award their own and sort of
try out a variety of different um issuing experiences. And um you know, to
hint a little more at the what he said about the little tech that I was
walking around with, I had these little screens. Apparently, I heard that
at anime conventions. a thing to have what's called an ebadge, which is a
little um light up, you know, LED like screen that is on like a
buttonshaped thing,
*Rob Coyle:* I don't
*Nate Otto:* a couple inches,
*Rob Coyle:* know.
*Nate Otto:* and you can pin it to your shirt and send images to it.
00:24:19
*Nate Otto:* So, I thought that would be an interesting concept for
connecting our digital credentials into the real world a little bit. Um,
Noah Geel, the organizer of the Badge Summit, is in looking to do something
cool like that at the Badge Summit this summer. So, if you're interested in
sort of the combination of like hardware and uh digital badges, uh the
badge summit might be a fun place to go and uh you know, contact us and we
can see if we can find some fun ways to um bring that hardware into the
real world.
*Rob Coyle:* Yeah, it was it was really cool and a lot of people commented
on it. They were really excited to see that. Kudos to your
*Ildiko Mazar:* How do you decide on what to display? Like can you rotate
like a corussal on multiple things or you have to pick
*Rob Coyle:* creativity.
*Ildiko Mazar:* your visuals? Right.
*Nate Otto:* Yeah, sorry. I'm hitting all the buttons as I try and unmute.
Um, yes, uh, it you can put different images on them.
00:25:17
*Nate Otto:* The challenge that I have with these is that So, I'm just
bought this random little thing off of um, AliExpress and there's a lot of
different vendors selling it. The chipsets that they use are don't have a
whole lot of open source documentation for how you
*Rob Coyle:* This
*Nate Otto:* might interact with the protocols themselves.
*Rob Coyle:* is
*Nate Otto:* So the current methods to send images to the devices is over
Bluetooth um using proprietary apps built by the manufacturers of the the
little devices.
*Rob Coyle:* great.
*Nate Otto:* Um there are some other microcontrollers out there that have a
lot better open- source support. And so it'll be interesting over the next
couple years as we we try and find what is the right hardware so that we can
*Rob Coyle:* relax.
*Nate Otto:* like program these things with our own experiences and really
like take the interactivity to the next level. Right now, it is kind of
just like a visual slideshow of some different uh images that you've chosen
to put on the device using their their little Sure.
*Ildiko Mazar:* And I suppose they're usually like cropped images like you
can't change the shape of the the badge, right?
00:26:19
*Ildiko Mazar:* Whether it's a circle or square or an octagon or something
like
*Nate Otto:* Yeah. And the screen I had in most of these are round.
*Ildiko Mazar:* that.
*Nate Otto:* I also had an e- in display that was rectangular, sort of like
a corporate uh badge. That one used zero power and and used NFC to send
images to the to the device. Um but the the eadges are round. Um which
actually is a pretty good fit for most digital badges. Um, there's not very
many badges that really take up a lot of the the real estate in the very
corners of a square image. Um, and all open badge images are recommended to
be square. Um,
*Rob Coyle:* What's
*Nate Otto:* so usually you can get like a hexagon or or something else
within the circle,
*Rob Coyle:* next?
*Nate Otto:* especially if you give it a little bit of extra bleed uh space
on the sides.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Sounds really cool. Do we have anybody else on the call who
uh contributed or interacted with Gillian's workshop or um any other
content who would like to speak?
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*Ildiko Mazar:* It's meant to be interactive. So,
*Rob Coyle:* right
*Ildiko Mazar:* I'm sure that we can get more people to speak than uh just
the three main contributors.
*Rob Coyle:* now.
*Ildiko Mazar:* So, please go ahead.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* I'm curious uh what all of your takeaway were in terms
of what was on people's minds, what kind of challenges like what are what
are some of the things we should be paying
*Rob Coyle:* insurance.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* attention to uh this year as VC edge.
*gillian w:* Um I mean I heard a lot about solving workforce challenges.
Yeah, as Phil mentioned consumption of credentials by employers and
*Rob Coyle:* Yes.
*gillian w:* um as someone who works in higher ed like I attended a lot of
presentations by higher institutions that had developed relationships with
local employers and were trying to solve the sort of education to
employment pipeline. Um, you know, that was underscored by the panel on day
one, which was, you know,
*Rob Coyle:* Yes.
*gillian w:* talking a lot about, you know, Mina always a brilliant source
of of information on this topic,
*Rob Coyle:* Jesus
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*gillian w:* just talking about the challenges that we're seeing in um, how
quickly the workforce needs can shift. like she specifically mentioned the
discussion about computer programmers like
*Rob Coyle:* Christ.
*gillian w:* how quickly that went from being a job that was in significant
high demand to to no longer being that way. And so I think it's I think
it's all like
*Rob Coyle:* Yes.
*gillian w:* in summary I think it's all talking about not just how we can
*Rob Coyle:* Jesus.
*gillian w:* support uh you know credentiing systems that get people jobs
but that it has to be very flexible and very agile as well and be able to
shift very quickly. Um, you know, obviously the the employer tools need to
be there first,
*Rob Coyle:* I see.
*gillian w:* but there's a lot of work going on already and both
technologically and semantically from the issuer and the learner side and
and a lot of analysis from the, you know,
*Rob Coyle:* official.
*gillian w:* the workforce development side.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Do you see any shifts in trends in terms of uh how
employers are actually contributing to or shaping uh the the way uh digital
credentials uh look like
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*Rob Coyle:* This is
*Ildiko Mazar:* or what content they have, what content they need the
credentials to have.
*gillian w:* Well, it's um it seems like this is another thing I've heard
echoed at at other events is that employers don't understand the
terminology. First of all, they're not sure that they need to understand
the technology, which is fair. Um and sometimes, I mean, this is a
challenge.
*Rob Coyle:* I
*gillian w:* This is a challenge like regardless of digital credentiing is
that
*Rob Coyle:* guess
*gillian w:* the skills it's not so much that they're some of the things
that will make somebody equipped with the correct like or with the ideal
like work ethic or understandings to make
*Rob Coyle:* let's
*gillian w:* them employable on a long-term basis are not always reflected
in a credential. Like I I'm trying to remember the the woman who was a
healthc care um the woman from the the panel that was working in healthcare
and just they want somebody who's like reliable who's who not only has the
the background and the experience but also who's safe and reliable to
*Rob Coyle:* Jesus.
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*gillian w:* interact with patients. And so I I heard a lot about a need,
not directly, but I summarized that there is a there's a big need to
continue issuing for um durable skills, transferable skills, yada yada yada.
*Rob Coyle:* Yeah, I uh I put the name it was Heather Greer from HCA
Healthcare um who talked about quite about that and uh there were some
other employers there who were talking about their experience um even just
helping trying to help credential some basic things you of durable skills,
even things that are um basic professionalism, you know, new new uh
employees who understand like how to dress appropriately, how to show up on
time, how to communicate effectively. Um and uh so there's still there's a
lot of opportunity to explore the credentials from a lot of different uh
non-educationbased uh views. We also um you asked a question uh around
employer data. Uh we uh want to take um have just started some preliminary
research around that very question around what exactly is the data that
employees or or employers are looking for in their credentials.
00:32:27
*Rob Coyle:* Um we had a uh a small preconvening prior to the conference.
Um, uh, a couple of you were kind enough to join us at that event. Uh, and
there'll be some some more, uh, research data coming out around that, um,
to tr really try to drill into exactly that question. What is it? You know,
we we think we know, um, but what does that really look like? What kind of
skills data are are we really looking for? Um, and uh, and so forth. So, um
we will have more to come on that coming out from from one edtech in co in
partnership with uh a lot of different um stakeholders. Uh but um welcome,
you know, any uh additional feedback, thoughts, research reports that
anybody knows are out there. Um we're trying to help drive the
conversation, but we certainly are not um the only expert in this space. So,
*Ildiko Mazar:* What's the timeline of the research, Rob? Uh when when do
you expect preliminary results that we might be able to discuss at the
future call?
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*Rob Coyle:* Um,
*Ildiko Mazar:* We have some
*Rob Coyle:* I'm we're hoping to have um some I mean I had a few bullet
points that I was able to to share last week. Um, but they're pretty high
level. Um, we will hopefully have some actual reports coming out probably
in the I'll say May time frame, early May. Um it depends on just how much I
can get all that data synthesized for uh and feedback that we got. Um as
well as looking at some additional reports. So late spring um hopefully
would be a great time um to have those you know that we can present that uh
back out to this community again for sure. Um, and I w I do want to um
shout out um Phil has made a couple of wonderful comments um uh in the
chat. Thank you, Phil. But the last one around um ATS's uh we did have um
we did have someone um from HR Open who works uh at I think he's an
employee which has three different uh ATS systems.
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*Rob Coyle:* Um so we're really excited to have uh you know an at someone
with real ATS there uh for from a real ATS platform there um to participate
and their interest in credentials. Um uh it ties a lot to some other work
that Nate is also doing with HR open and their trusted career profile which
was another big sort of theme that u that was talked about quite a bit
throughout the whole conference. So that was uh that was just exciting to
have that that new participation that we haven't seen at our at our event
uh before. Anyway,
*Phillip Long:* Yeah, that's the challenge that um the has I said in the
comment is that they simply throw away everything that credential
everything that's attached to a credential and the only thing they look at
is the text in it with their AI and then they rank accordingly. Um, so what
if you have all kinds of wonderful things that describe your performance
and and assessment of skills and things like that, it doesn't go into the
ranking at all uh of you relative to other candidates because they don't
know how to deal with and so they just throw it away.
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*Phillip Long:* Um, and so that's that's a challenge that we have to deal
with. And um Bob's correct the uh uh Andrew Consolo is the individual he
was referring to is uh a principal at employ which has at least three
different ATS uh products in their uh suite and is on the HR open community
uh recruiting group. Um so there we have built the what used to be called
LRS now um uh trusted career profile TCP and not to be confused with the
mind alter version. Um and the um the TCP is really an attempt to allow a
compound credential to be constructed with objects that are JSON objects
and credentials. um for a point-to-point transfer to an employer. Um and
there are some issues associated with um schema versions that um are
currently standard in many of the HR systems which date back to uh draft 4
or dialect 4 which is a 2013 release of adjacent schema which incompatible
with any credential that's been issued since credentials have been issued
in the verified credential format. And so we fix that too.
00:37:37
*Ildiko Mazar:* That's slightly disappointing. And uh what what are they
looking for? How are they processing the text contact content of a
credential? Is it do they run it through some AI and summarize skills that
they think uh they involve or what are they looking for?
*Phillip Long:* It is in fact all AI driven extraction from unstructured
what they see as unstructured text. If you put a lot of your evidence and
assessment and and other uh supporting material of performance on on skills
and such in your links as we hope people in the juris Jason LD world will
do um it doesn't help at the moment in fact probably hinders um your
positioning and the ranking that the AI drives.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Sorry, in the meantime, I'm trying to uh process the the
chat as well and see if there are any unanswered questions. I I had one to
Gillian about uh your uh presentation slash uh demo. If uh there's anywhere
we could uh learn uh about what you presented now or in the future, that
would be great if you could share.
00:39:20
*gillian w:* Yes, let me here. Ali will put the link in the chat. Um,
*Ildiko Mazar:* Perfect.
*gillian w:* and there is a feedback form on the about page. Um, we'd love
to get your feedback on it. Um, again, we are definitely still training the
model. Additionally, if anyone here has data that could help train the
model, specifically what we're looking for is like course materials and
syllabi with the corresponding badges is the best. If you don't have the
corresponding badges, we could still use the material anyways, but ideally
we're looking for those two sets of data.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Nice. Thanks for the link. Do we have anybody else from the
uh who attended the conference? Uh we we have more uh participants in the
call than the ones who spoke. So please feel free to speak up. Nate coming
to the rescue.
*Nate Otto:* Well, you know, and of course, welcome anyone else who raises
their hand too. I'll I'll s*** up and and let you speak too. Um my I just
wanted to share an overall impression about where we are at the
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*Rob Coyle:* Oh,
*Nate Otto:* moment in this ecosystem based on my observations of um the
vendors, the products and the badge experiences there, which is that open
badges 3.0 implementation across all of the vendors is nearly
*Rob Coyle:* experience.
*Nate Otto:* complete. Sort of the ones who showed up. uh and that was a
big change from last year um where a number of the solutions still only had
open badges 2.0 now available and uh so that means I think that the sort of
the onus to move the ball forward is now switching to anybody who is
building verification side tools. We have a number of wallets, we have a
number of issuers.
*Rob Coyle:* Awesome.
*Nate Otto:* Um it's time to actually like build the tools that make those
credentials uh useful. And as you do so, um you'll have some some actual
credentials that users will be ready to send to you um and some partners to
do demonstrations with because a lot of the platforms um that were there
and you can look at the sponsors list and basically all of them had 3.0
verifiable credentials um issuing solutions.
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*Nate Otto:* So I'm looking forward to that. I'll be putting out a um
verification side tool sometime in the next month or two. Uh that'll be a
little open source reference implementation in partnership with the US
Chamber of Commerce Foundation. Um but I hope to see a lot more of those um
you know as we go into the next round of conferences like Badge Summit this
summer.
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* And I want to I want to add to that. Oh uh oh uh I see
somebody else is on the queue. Oh, that's Nate. Okay. And I want to add to
that uh and an encouragement to everybody on this call. What we're all
looking for, what we're all hungry for, what the community needs is not
just verification. Verification's easy. It's the consumption. We need
people to consume the credentials, right? So for education, it's the
admissions desks, the prerequisites to other classes, it's the uh
employment and applicant tracking software that that would uh that would
consume those credentials and so on and so forth.
00:43:03
*Dmitri Zagidulin:* So something uh something to think about, something to
focus on in the coming year.
*Ildiko Mazar:* This is definitely very interesting and of course here in
Europe we are in a different position when I read the comment on uh the uh
consumers only being interested in the textual content of a credential.
That makes me really sad because it's much harder uh in a region where
people speak uh 30 languages or so as we we need to make make this
information as transparent as possible and there are efforts uh towards
that transparency and portability. But uh ultimately what everybody cares
about is uh whether they can apply for jobs and uh get jobs that uh match
their skill sets, identify the skills they need and if uh their efforts and
the issuers's uh efforts are useless, then even with the the perfect uh
standards and technology, the there's there's a gap. There's a there's a
huge gap. So, I'll try to come over my sadness, but uh this is something
that uh we do do have as a problem here in Europe. And Robbie's nodding.
00:44:24
*Rob Coyle:* everywhere.
*Ildiko Mazar:* How how would you think that that could be actually
resolved? That problem of uh people or employers uh consumers uh wanting to
to get the the lowest hanging fruit, the easiest to process uh data
slashcontent information. and uh the intention on the educators or the
credential holder side to demonstrate a more sophisticated uh set of uh
skills and experiences. What what's the sweet spot or what would be the
common point where all the standards and mechanisms that we developed
actually be as meaningful or as we as we planned and designed them but they
also are meaningful for the consumer side. Say anything I'm missing. Thank
*Nate Otto:* I don't know that you're missing anything. Um, but I think
that there are some some things that can be done here. And right now there
are some technical barriers. There's just the fact that the tools facing
employers do not have the credential data inside of them and they don't
have the verifiability. And I am encouraged that that there's some pretty
good progress being made on this.
00:45:50
*Nate Otto:* Um, my theory of change here will be just to demonstrate how
that is done. uh in terms of open source software and other implementations
from their competitors showing them how other people are doing it. And once
the credential data can actually get into the tools where the business
logic is actually trying to do something with it, um I think there's a few
different things that can happen. The first is that we can present it for
human review alongside information about the verification status on the
trust. And uh human brains are really good at kind of making sense of what
the story is behind some information presented, you know, and also LLM and
and AI tools can do can assist with some of that as well. But then if we
want to get to a layer of more like web of trust, machine readable and
actionable, repeatable information that relies on a lot of implementers on
the consumption side doing a bunch of interesting work in their business
logic to try and actually make sense of this and build up rules and
contribute trust information back to shared sort of directories showing how
consumption is happening.
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*Nate Otto:* There's a whole lot of work in that category. Uh, but I I
worry that that we're not going to get to a lot of that work until we can
kind of solve the first mile problem of of getting the the credentials
actually into these these systems so that people can focus on building out
um whatever really interesting features make sense to them. Um my I so I I
sometimes worry that that employment
*Rob Coyle:* Christmas.
*Nate Otto:* like the the process of applying for a job and being reviewed
for that job even if someone is applying to 50 jobs or something in the
course of one job search that's still a fairly rare process in someone's
life and I think repetitivity or like repeating um the verification of
badges and really like finding ways to make them usable in everyday life,
*Rob Coyle:* Please
*Nate Otto:* not just the once every couple years when you're seeking a new
position. Um would be something that could really accelerate our ability to
um apply them to use cases and build up this ecosystem of um machine
processability of the
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*Rob Coyle:* relax.
*Nate Otto:* credentials. So, anyone who has like interesting use cases for
how badges can be used after someone already has a job and as they're
interacting within a community, deepening relationships with others. I'd
love to be exploring those those territories with you.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Please stop Gohan.
*Rob Coyle:* Oh, yeah. Sorry. Um I to Nate's to Nate's point, we actually
one of the um the keynote speakers uh Dr. Young Bloodood from King
University um mentioned uh you know the fact that we all too often speak in
credentials in terms of the uh the using of them for employers or
employability uh and we don't often focus from the learner's perspective.
Uh, and I think that opens up a lot of new use cases like Nate was just
saying. Um, so I, you know, that was that kind of really resonated with me
and I'm sure with many others that, you know, ultimately we want the
credentials to be usable in some way. Uh, and for employment is definitely
one of the big use cases, but there's a whole lot of others uh, that we
could potentially explore a lot further if we really start focusing from
the learner's perspective.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Yeah, it's definitely an interesting point and uh we should
probably put a pin in there and uh see if uh this is a topic we could uh
discuss at greater length uh sometime in the
*Rob Coyle:* This is the
*Ildiko Mazar:* future.
*Rob Coyle:* future.
*Ildiko Mazar:* Um we are kind of getting uh like we're 10 minutes to the
end of the hour. Uh we can wrap up soon but I would like to give the floor
to anybody who still hasn't spoken or who would like to share feedback or
questions. um or even uh topic ideas. Anybody? And if not then uh thank you
very much uh for uh the contributions and the attention uh of the others.
Uh that was very interesting and look forward to following up on uh some of
the points we mentioned uh before.
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