Re: Utah State-Endorsed Digital Identity (SEDI) legislation

Yeah…


If anyone was offended, I apologize deeply.


As I have stated earlier, the counterpoints are solid.


And I’m constantly learning from Steffen’s expertise on the legislation.


I have no expertise in that and find reading long legal texts frustrating.


So I’m approaching this from a logical standpoint with my own bias.


I currently have no higher-education background, and I’m pretty much
brute-forcing a lot of stuff on the fly to show solutions that fit my bias,
and


considering that, I must admit that it was an unproductive tactic to mask
my own incompetence regarding the law’s requirements stemming from the
frustration I felt.


Any arguments such as the one you pointed out are very unproductive, and I
will avoid such in the future.


Thank you for calling it out.

su 15.2.2026 klo 5.50 ip. Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> kirjoitti:

> On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 8:51 AM Jori Lehtinen <lehtinenjori03@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Can someone help me teach these guys how cryptography works arrrrghh 😁
>
> Whoa, hold up -- Steffen is a capable individual that knows how
> cryptography works. Remember, we follow a Code of Conduct when
> engaging here:
>
> https://www.w3.org/policies/code-of-conduct/#expected-behavior
>
> ... and part of that is an assumption that everyone is engaging in
> good faith and capable. Presuming someone engaging as deeply as
> Steffen -- quoting EU regulation, involved in setting these standards
> in the EU -- doesn't understand how cryptography works is item 21 in
> "Unacceptable Behavior" in the Code of Conduct.
>
> I don't think you really meant what you wrote and were largely joking
> to add some levity to the frustration in the discussion, but keep in
> mind that it's really difficult to interpret your meaning on a mailing
> list (it could have been taken in a far more negative way: "You don't
> even know the basics of how this stuff works!" -- and that can chill
> engagement by others who might be nervous to participate in the first
> place: "Oh no, if they think Steffen doesn't know what he's talking
> about, then I have no chance in contributing.")
>
> You're contributing many good points, Jori, and I am more on your side
> of the debate than Steffen's, but we have to keep this civil -- it's
> expected behavior in our community.
>
> What I do think is happening is that we're talking past each other,
> and your latest AI summary, Jori, does help focus where the
> misalignment might be:
>
> I think that you and I are arguing for less regulation, especially the
> components that seem like they will harm the EU's chances of creating
> a truly competitive ecosystem. I think that Steffen is arguing for
> more regulation, to ensure that the EU ends up with a trustworthy
> system in the end, which is required for regulatory environments.
>
> It feels like the debate is largely about where to draw the line...
> specifically, what parts of EU regulation harm market competition more
> than they help, and what parts help market competition more than they
> harm... and we must remember that market competition isn't something
> everyone might want to optimize for... there are government-granted
> oligopolies (telecommunications, air travel, defense) and maybe
> "digital wallets" are such an oligopoly.
>
> In any case, I don't think Steffen doesn't get what you're arguing for
> -- he just doesn't agree with your basic premises (because, I think,
> he believes the current EU regulation is decentralized enough and
> doesn't harm market competition in the ways we think it does).
>
> -- manu
>
> --
> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
>
>