Re: A Framework for Human-AI Collaboration in Standards Work

Huge +1

> 19 Απρ 2026, 12:11 πμ, ο χρήστης «Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>» έγραψε:
> 
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2026 at 3:29 PM Christoph <christoph@christophdorn.com> wrote:
>> I did not want to just leave it hanging like that so I have generated an opinion on the perspective that I see and am moving towards in my own work.
> 
> Christoph, I know you're an introspective person, and that's the only
> reason I'm responding to this email. You have made Marcus' point so
> thoroughly and convincingly that I am now re-thinking my position on
> "just ignore the noise". This (LLM usage on the mailing list) is
> starting to get out of hand (again). This time, the problem isn't
> Morrow... it's the humans on the list that don't seem to be getting
> the hint that they're overusing LLMs and subjecting the rest of us to
> a tremendous amount of noise.
> 
> Even though it is not your intention, you are harming the discourse on
> this mailing list.
> 
> Please stop.
> 
> Melvin's response was good (as it usually is), he was terse, made his
> point and got on with it.
> 
> I can see people trying to be subtle and nice about it, but that
> doesn't seem to be working. So, I am going to attempt to be polite,
> but firm, because I want you to be heard by this community.
> 
> There is a limit to what each of us will tolerate, and your email
> (Christoph) shattered that limit for me (not in a good way). I'm
> hoping you, Eduardo, and Michael Herman will take the rest of this
> email to heart.
> 
>> I am a fan of maximizing LLM context
>> Prompt:
>> Write an extensive dissertation
> 
> I stopped reading when I hit the words "extensive dissertation". I
> know you didn't realize how disrespectful of everyone else's time this
> was, but let me try and spell it out:
> 
> You generated something that would take multiple hours to read,
> internalize, and analyze, and then you sent it out to a mailing list
> with over 580 people on it, and you expected a subset of them to read
> something that took you a fraction of that time to generate.
> 
> This is a type of asymmetric information overloading attack that a
> number of us on the mailing list have been complaining about for
> weeks.
> 
> Eduardo, your DID dashboard thing (your second pass) looks like an
> improvement, but then you hit the mailing list with A LOT of
> LLM-generated projects. Overwhelming the group, or at least me, to the
> point where I lost all motivation to give you feedback on your
> dashboard  revision work (which I thought was a good improvement)...
> but if you're going to keep LLM'ing me, then I don't have the time to
> respond... I give up, I hope you have great success, but I can't
> review every LLM-generated project that you're sending to the list. I
> don't even know which one of them you care about the most. I'm
> overwhelmed. You have overwhelmed me, and I am completely demotivated
> from engaging with your content... and that's terrible, because I
> think ONE of the things I did engage on looked like it was going in a
> good direction.
> 
> Same thing for you, Michael:
> 
>> Web 7.0: an entire general-purpose Decentralized System Architecture platform: code, test cases, Whitepaper, design docs, 15 IETF draft specifications, spec compliant, etc. etc. in less that 2 weeks
> 
> I have no hope of ever reviewing the vast majority of that, and I
> doubt others on the mailing list do, either. So, I've just shut off.
> Again, I hope you're wildly successful, but I have no way of engaging
> with what your LLM is generating at scale. The human is overwhelmed
> and unable to help you anymore.
> 
> The result is that the people that read the mailing list are going to
> increasingly start treating each of your posts as noise. I know that's
> where I am right now. Again, I'm not trying to be rude about this...
> I'm trying to be polite by letting you know how what you are doing is
> affecting my perception of you. The way that each of you are engaging
> with your use of LLMs breaks social norms we've had for a while in
> this community, and I don't think it's having the sort of positive
> effect you think it is. I'd be happy to be in the minority here,
> because that means I can just mark it as noise (for me) knowing that
> others are benefitting from the way you're engaging.
> 
> -- manu
> 
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> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/

> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> https://www.digitalbazaar.com/

>

Received on Saturday, 18 April 2026 22:32:26 UTC